Hawerchuk??

bob crunkhouse · Post by **bob crunkhouse** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 9:10 pm

ThinKing wrote:
Shonky wrote:Was listening to this the other day, with this and Point B I might be able to get a ten minute mutant garage mix.
if you wanna do a mutant garage mix you need to buy a bunch of the Si Begg 2step bits, and the two Tim Wright 12"s on Novamute as well (The Walk & Going Down). Seminal mucky 'garage'. Oh and Rag & Bone 001 too, wicked bleepy 2-step on 'Photofit'.

Great! gonna look into this, any more tips? stuff you can buy as mp3's if poss.

thinking · Post by **thinking** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 9:15 pm

Gunshot EP by Abstract:

www.discogs.com/release/490540

These are the 2 Tim Wright EPs I mentioned:

www.discogs.com/release/6477 and www.discogs.com/release/38579

This Si Begg 12" is one of his finest (Command Your Soul):

www.discogs.com/release/323938

will have a think about some more, I'm sure there's a few bits I can't remember right now.

Pistonsbeneath · Post by **Pistonsbeneath** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 9:25 pm

theres loads more weird 2 step type stuff for that mix

milanese - cowboy, ardisson - rats nest, si begg - buss, cold fusion mafia - nystagmeus, manitoba - if assholes could fly this place would be an airport, squarepusher - my red hot car, four tet - she moves she

its the sort of thing i tend to enjoy mixing together

thinking · Post by **thinking** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 9:33 pm

ah forgotten about Buss, wicked tune. Move Up is another one of his on the garage vibe, rolling 4/4 piece.

links btw:

www.discogs.com/release/224852

www.discogs.com/release/151900

shonky · Post by **shonky** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 9:34 pm

Totally forgot Red Hot Car - classic

Pistonsbeneath · Post by **Pistonsbeneath** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 9:40 pm

something j/dj maxximus - mercedes bentley vs versace armani!

oh and if you pitch up boards of canada music is math pretty much anything sounds good over it

my personal fave is michael forshaw - cheerleaders

kirsten dunst & boards of canada

bob crunkhouse · Post by **bob crunkhouse** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 9:41 pm

Piston wrote:kirsten dunst & boards of canada

Yum.

ufo over easy · Post by **ufo over easy** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 10:08 pm

Shonky wrote:I can't help thinking dubstep would be a whole load more fun if Hawerchuk had been the blueprint

sloppily chopped amens and not a whole bunch else?

not sure I'm with you there

shonky · Post by **shonky** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 10:12 pm

UFO over easy wrote:
Shonky wrote:I can't help thinking dubstep would be a whole load more fun if Hawerchuk had been the blueprint
sloppily chopped amens and not a whole bunch else?

not sure I'm with you there

It's got a tastelessness that you can only aspire to Ben

ufo over easy · Post by **ufo over easy** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 10:24 pm

it's a very boring kind of tastefulness though, no? and it's been done a billion times, albeit not at that tempo, and way better

shonky · Post by **shonky** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 10:29 pm

UFO over easy wrote:it's a very boring kind of tastefulness though, no? and it's been done a billion times, albeit not at that tempo, and way better

TasteLESSness Ben

shonky · Post by **shonky** » Fri Feb 01, 2008 10:55 am

UFO over easy wrote:it's a very boring kind of tastefulness though, no? and it's been done a billion times, albeit not at that tempo, and way better

I do think it's got some quality comic timing and samples (think the "thkweeve thum twiggerth" is from Blazing Squad), but then you don't really like funny music I seem to remember. If however you appreciate the Wrong Music stuff (which you don't) it's quite enjoyable.

ufo over easy · Post by **ufo over easy** » Fri Feb 01, 2008 11:16 am

Shonky wrote:
UFO over easy wrote:it's a very boring kind of tastefulness though, no? and it's been done a billion times, albeit not at that tempo, and way better

TasteLESSness Ben

yeah yeah yeah slip of the fingers

you're right about the comedy thing though, well remembered. I don't think the overtly referential is a particularly good basis for anything really, and especially music. It immediately devalues itself by drawing your attention away from what you're listening to - music whose sole purpose is to be a bit jolly and make you giggle at stuff that happened before could never be a stable basis for any scene, let alone a scene which is supposed to be fwd looking.

I think I flogged this record at the record and tape exchange recently

shonky · Post by **shonky** » Fri Feb 01, 2008 12:28 pm

UFO over easy wrote: you're right about the comedy thing though, well remembered. I don't think the overtly referential is a particularly good basis for anything really, and especially music. It immediately devalues itself by drawing your attention away from what you're listening to - music whose sole purpose is to be a bit jolly and make you giggle at stuff that happened before could never be a stable basis for any scene, let alone a scene which is supposed to be fwd looking.

I think that all music has a certain ridiculousness at points (trance's pomposity, techstep's eviller than thou attitude, rap's endless macho posturing) and it''s sometimes interesting to see how extreme you can go with accentuating that. Plus I can't think of any particularly fwd thinking music at present that isn't taking something from something that went before (that includes you dubstep) so whether it's done in a spirit of homage or ripping the piss out of it it doesn't really add anything new.

Always find it strange how music that makes you laugh is always seen as somehow lesser than something that makes you feel melancholic, if we compared music to people, I'd rather hang out with the former than the latter.

Anyway, each to their own Ben, don't think either of us is going to shift on this one.

ufo over easy · Post by **ufo over easy** » Fri Feb 01, 2008 12:44 pm

it's the extent to which you look back though. with the referential comedy stuff, the entire point of the music is to look back at what's happened before and direct the listeners attention away from what's being listened to. listen to a shitmat tune and you'll be thinking as much of the early 90s as you will be of his tunes. to me that's the difference between taking influence from something and just ripping it for cheap laughs

shonky · Post by **shonky** » Fri Feb 01, 2008 1:15 pm

I like cheap laughs though Ben.

And plus if you change your paragraph to

with the referential reggae influenced dubstep, the entire point of the music is to look back at what's happened before and direct the listeners attention away from what's being listened to. listen to a **** tune and you'll be thinking as much of 70's reggae as you will be of his tunes.

Just using as an example of course, but lots of more serious music is riding the coat-tails of what's gone before, and is in it's own way as preposterous as the more straight up comedy stuff, due to the lack of knowledge about where the original came from, and being framed in a completely different context to which it originally appeared.

I mean, Shitmat takes ragga jungle samples and mashes them up to poke fun at the cliches, other people use them to give them an authenticity which they lack - in all honesty, I'd go as far as to say that Shitmat might well be using them in a more honest context than the serious artist trying to give his music soul via proxy material.

baz · Post by **baz** » Fri Feb 01, 2008 2:14 pm

well said shonky, it's all a nice counterpoint to deadly earnest and self-important stuff innit.

shonky · Post by **shonky** » Fri Feb 01, 2008 2:30 pm

baz wrote:well said shonky, it's all a nice counterpoint to deadly earnest and self-important stuff innit.

Precisely, something much needed in dubstep at the moment I think.

ufo over easy · Post by **ufo over easy** » Fri Feb 01, 2008 2:43 pm

Shonky wrote:I mean, Shitmat takes ragga jungle samples and mashes them up to poke fun at the cliches, other people use them to give them an authenticity which they lack - in all honesty, I'd go as far as to say that Shitmat might well be using them in a more honest context than the serious artist trying to give his music soul via proxy material.

so what you're saying is if you had to choose between rubbish and honest, and rubbish and dishonest, you'd choose rubbish and honest?

I'd rather have neither

Maybe all this cynicism has lowered your standards shonks

shonky · Post by **shonky** » Fri Feb 01, 2008 3:43 pm

UFO over easy wrote:
Shonky wrote:I mean, Shitmat takes ragga jungle samples and mashes them up to poke fun at the cliches, other people use them to give them an authenticity which they lack - in all honesty, I'd go as far as to say that Shitmat might well be using them in a more honest context than the serious artist trying to give his music soul via proxy material.
so what you're saying is if you had to choose between rubbish and honest, and rubbish and dishonest, you'd choose rubbish and honest?

I'd rather have neither

Maybe all this cynicism has lowered your standards shonks

Who said either were rubbish? I can think of loads of po-faced, serious, soulless yet aesthetically pleasing stuff that doesn't touch me in the slightest (very common in electronic music) - Hawerchuk succeeds in making me laugh (which he set out to do), most of the former just leave me cold and bored (which presumably they didn't) - sound pretty but empty as hell.

As for lowering standards, I don't have the same tastes as you Ben, and nor would I want to. I don't think you'd play a set that was completely of interest to me, any more than I would you. I think "tastefulness" in itself is rather conformist and dull and probably stops a lot of experimentation because it just introduces new barriers. I'd argue that some of the Wrong Music stuff is effective simply because it doesn't have that herd concept of what's acceptable (and it's not just breakcore and mash-ups, they cover quite a lot of different styles).

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