70 or 140 bpm?

spherix · Post by **spherix** » Wed Jan 30, 2008 9:52 am

Daft tnuc wrote:
lilt wrote:personally i use 70

i know it really makes no difference... its just interesting seeing what others do =)
It does make a big difference to me: if the scroll speed is faster you have more possibility for crazy snare rolls, retrigger effects and things like that.
And your tracks actually seem faster and have more punch if you write them at high scroll speed. My experience tho.

you can just set the quantise to double for this.

yakas · Post by **yakas** » Wed Jan 30, 2008 9:29 pm

[quote="psyphon"][quote]
Er I dont think he means making Dubstep ACTUALLY at 70bpm. He just means running the sequencer at 70bpm and then spacing the beats accordingly.[/quote]

Yeah, I know this is what he meant. What [i]I[/i] meant is that why does there have to be all the unwritten rules about all genres of music and the specifics of tempo, etc.

Why can't a Dub Step track be faster/slower than the unwritten rule of sequencing at 70/140bpm?

That's what I meant about music being individual. If every producer created what was totally unique to them instead of following the lead of others (and this happens in every genre), then the genres of music would be so much less defined, and to me that's a great thing as you'd get much more appreciation from all angles.[/quote]

everything that ever has existed has been coppied, ask any master artist and they will tell you that. it all started with people painting in caves and copying what they saw outside - fuking deers and weeds. those deers and weeds bore dubstep and all its glory, if your making a dubstep track it's because you've heard the music, and the pioneers of it heard the echoes of it in other music. so stop claiming all is lost if you listen to others and are influenced by it. you want to make it because you have heard it.

FSTZ · Post by **FSTZ** » Wed Jan 30, 2008 10:00 pm

67.45

just like burial

kidding

two oh one · Post by **two oh one** » Wed Jan 30, 2008 10:02 pm

Swing is going to sound very different at the two different tempos.

You can use this to your advantage.

two oh one · Post by **two oh one** » Wed Jan 30, 2008 10:03 pm

unklefesta wrote:67.45

just like burial

kidding

He doesn't get that exact. He just throws vibes together in a single channel editor, yo.

I hear he doesn't even have a computer. Or ears.

hugh · Post by **hugh** » Sun Feb 03, 2008 8:43 pm

ok yakas, everyone gets the point...zzzz
by the way, can i ask if you have actually done this? The slowest i ever took a track i was making down to was 134 and that felt REALLY slow, so i havent got a clue how you are going to go anymore. Simply put, if you change the rhythm too much then you are losing the distinct breaky sound you get with dubstep. couplets and triplets and drums will either start to sound really dragged out or far too close together and hence drum and bassy. whilst your musical plight is amourable, it certainly isn't practical

aike · Post by **aike** » Mon Feb 04, 2008 10:33 am

i must be really dumb, I thought you just spread your drums over two bars instead of one to give you the half tempo feel?

drwurst · Post by **drwurst** » Mon Feb 04, 2008 1:05 pm

Chunkie wrote: there are some seriously crossed wires here!

addict · Post by **addict** » Mon Feb 04, 2008 4:57 pm

well i tried switching it to 70 the other day and it wasn't for me. if it's easier to mix tunes at 140 i say roll on the 140 boys. i'll stick with my tempo at 140 and 175-178 for DNB, NEVER 180!!

tapir music · Post by **tapir music** » Mon Feb 04, 2008 5:50 pm

auan · Post by **auan** » Mon Feb 04, 2008 7:38 pm

AdDICT wrote:well i tried switching it to 70 the other day and it wasn't for me. if it's easier to mix tunes at 140 i say roll on the 140 boys. i'll stick with my tempo at 140 and 175-178 for DNB, NEVER 180!!

174 or stfu :teef:

And I'll take 138 over 140 while I'm at it.

fuagofire · Post by **fuagofire** » Mon Feb 04, 2008 7:41 pm

just tried 70 bpm - works well

krytikal · Post by **krytikal** » Mon Feb 04, 2008 9:33 pm

im gna try it 2, just 2 c wot the fuss is about

FSTZ · Post by **FSTZ** » Mon Feb 04, 2008 9:48 pm

its all the same, a good dj can mix anything between 135-145 (maybe not those two bpms at the same time)

most of the dubs that I get seem to be at 140

grime suspect · Post by **grime suspect** » Mon Feb 04, 2008 10:09 pm

140 all the way

gravious · Post by **gravious** » Tue Feb 05, 2008 12:40 pm

psyphon wrote: Why can't a Dub Step track be faster/slower than the unwritten rule of sequencing at 70/140bpm?

It can, people just don't do it very often (mostly because they want played by DJs, who inturn want to beat match).

See for example Pepper Spray or Lazarus by Pinch - respectively, they are much faster and slower than the dubstep norm. Still dubstep though I reckon.

Alhtough, if you abandon the "around 140" thing, all that is left of Dubstep as a "genre" is sub-bass. Is that enough to define it?

There has been pages of pointless esoteric discussion on this matter, and I don't want to start another 10 page thread!

dj_distinct · Post by **dj_distinct** » Sun Mar 02, 2008 3:10 am

140 hands down

seems like i dont have to do as much work when it comes to 1/32 - 1/64 on drumz... I can squeeze more into smaller spaces if that makes any sense

auan · Post by **auan** » Sun Mar 02, 2008 4:01 am

Loads of Burial tunes clock in under 140bpm, most are closer to House tempos, 120-130bpm.

Sharmaji · Post by **Sharmaji** » Sun Mar 02, 2008 4:03 am

Chunkie wrote:

if you make a dubstep track at 100bpm it wont be played out much because it won't mix into a set as its too damn slow

this is really simple, wtf

pinch's "pepper spray" is about 86 (172) bpm.

Shack's "Death is not Final" is 110 or 115.

Leviathan goes between 140 and 170...

and they're all dubstep tunes. and all gettin' rinsed.

the limits are only what you choose them to be.

shane · Post by **shane** » Sun Mar 02, 2008 7:28 am

i work at 9bpm all day.

/i'm lying.

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