poet saul williams on the us elections.

misk · Post by **misk** » Tue Feb 05, 2008 5:38 pm

seckle wrote:
amykamala wrote:regardless of content saul williams has incredible form.
he understands underground music too.

what is there to understand? we're no more special than pop music.

jim · Post by **jim** » Tue Feb 05, 2008 5:40 pm

DrQuynh wrote:This shit is too fucking important:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DqY8iIxe2c

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVNHq2pk1jc

Angry yet?

Ron Paul!

The same Ron Paul who voted against the Civil Rights act 1964?

seckle · Post by **seckle** » Tue Feb 05, 2008 5:55 pm

Misk wrote:good read. Not only do i not care who he votes for, but i also think he is doing a disservice to the people out there he is trying to inspire, by not allowing them to think for themselves - and use their own imagination. This short essay would have been much more effective to me, if he had kept the barack obama stuff to himself.

he's using his craft to inspire and if you view that as a "dissservice" then that's on you.

jah wobble · Post by **jah wobble** » Tue Feb 05, 2008 6:05 pm

DrQuynh wrote:This shit is too fucking important:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DqY8iIxe2c

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVNHq2pk1jc

Angry yet?

Ron Paul!

ron paul? the libertarian ron paul? i wasn't buying the shit he spouts when pat buchanan was selling it and i'm certainly not going for it now.

misk · Post by **misk** » Tue Feb 05, 2008 8:08 pm

seckle wrote:
Misk wrote:good read. Not only do i not care who he votes for, but i also think he is doing a disservice to the people out there he is trying to inspire, by not allowing them to think for themselves - and use their own imagination. This short essay would have been much more effective to me, if he had kept the barack obama stuff to himself.
he's using his craft to inspire and if you view that as a "dissservice" then that's on you.

suppose so. i hope you didnt take what i said personally, there was no personal attack on you.

tempest · Post by **tempest** » Tue Feb 05, 2008 10:11 pm

I thought Ron Paul was the way of the future???

Whos the one to be going for?

The election is today isnt it???

Who'd you vote for and why yanks?

rickyricardo · Post by **rickyricardo** » Tue Feb 05, 2008 10:16 pm

Hehe..somehow I don't think that Saul Williams needed to announce he was voting for Obama. He doesn't really strike me as a staunch Hillary supporter.

In regards to his post, I'd have to disagree w/ that last bit about cynicism. When taken to extremes, cynicism is definitely counter-productive, but having an excess of optimism can be equally as detrimental. In fact, I think that most people aren't cynical *enough*. The root of effective cynicism is knowing when to be cynical. (most of the time

)

Cynicism helps counteract the pie-in-the-sky optimism that will take you nowhere or leave you off worse than before. And that doesn't mean a cynical person doesn't wish for a better future. Rather, the cynic knows that people have been claiming to bring "better tomorrows" since the very first "today" and that ambitions are only any good when tempered by reality.

rickyricardo · Post by **rickyricardo** » Tue Feb 05, 2008 10:23 pm

tempest wrote: Who'd you vote for and why yanks?

I didn't vote today, b/c our primaries aren't until next week

I'm voting for Obama, but not b/c I'm voting for "change", or b/c I'm voting my race, or b/c I'm voting against Hillary, or any of that other exit poll nonsense that will become the new narratives for why people voted the way they did.

It's simply that Obama ranks the lowest on my "stinks-like-shit"-o'meter. Granted, he still has a pretty strong reading..but I can stomach him better than any of the other clowns still in it (yes, Ron Paul included)

guerillaeye · Post by **guerillaeye** » Tue Feb 05, 2008 11:06 pm

RickyRicardo wrote: It's simply that Obama ranks the lowest on my "stinks-like-shit"-o'meter. Granted, he still has a pretty strong reading..but I can stomach him better than any of the other clowns still in it (yes, Ron Paul included)

ron paul is serving his purpose.. many many many many independents and democrats changed over their party to Republican to vote for him.. remember its all based on electoral votes.. and we could have really used those numbers.

.. and Hilary scares the shit out of me... more so that George Dub. i have no idea what there is to do.. except applaud saul for the investment..

tempest · Post by **tempest** » Tue Feb 05, 2008 11:09 pm

Seems like the 'powers above' whatever they are, are keeping the choice you have shit and meaningless.

Like the elections in Australia, you're forced to vote for a lesser of two evils.

rickyricardo · Post by **rickyricardo** » Wed Feb 06, 2008 12:55 am

guerillaeye wrote: ron paul is serving his purpose.. many many many many independents and democrats changed over their party to Republican to vote for him.. remember its all based on electoral votes.. and we could have really used those numbers.

I'll admit that it's definitely very amusing watching ron paul be a thorn in the gop's side this whole time while essentially speaking truth about us foreign policy...

...but i only follow him as far as foreign policy. All that free-market humping I really can't sign on to

seckle · Post by **seckle** » Wed Feb 06, 2008 1:44 am

RickyRicardo wrote: All that free-market humping I really can't sign on to

definitely.

guerillaeye · Post by **guerillaeye** » Wed Feb 06, 2008 1:56 am

lol at free market humping...

did you guys check this?

i like the stars.

misk · Post by **misk** » Wed Feb 06, 2008 2:50 am

guerillaeye wrote:lol at free market humping...

did you guys check this?

i like the stars.

what? the inverted pentagram?

mrfixxy · Post by **mrfixxy** » Wed Feb 06, 2008 2:42 pm

Does this mean that there is a chance I won't get to cash in my bet on Will Smith being the first black president?

I don't know, I still feel uneasy about the way Saul Williams is doing this, if you look as far back as the Red Wedge tour, or the New Labour supporters popular culture always gets burned by Politics.

Something just doesn't sit right with me about it.

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