japanese sounding

DZA · Post by **DZA** » Tue Feb 12, 2008 9:06 pm

does anyone know how to get a japanese sounding string affect in reason
cheers

djake · Post by **djake** » Tue Feb 12, 2008 9:09 pm

a sample

blizzardmusic · Post by **blizzardmusic** » Tue Feb 12, 2008 9:14 pm

djake wrote:a sample

yeah,
right on

lock this now

answer gave.

two oh one · Post by **two oh one** » Tue Feb 12, 2008 9:24 pm

I'm sure you can tweak a Subtractor patch to sound exactly like what you need.

tarranjoe1 · Post by **tarranjoe1** » Tue Feb 12, 2008 9:47 pm

to get a truly japanese style you want to be using a different scale, im fairly sure that the japanese use a pentatonic scale, this will give it that authentic eastern feel

r · Post by r » Tue Feb 12, 2008 10:38 pm

man just download a japanese folksmusic album and sample. Hit 1 tone and spread it with your sampler

lock

beezle · Post by **beezle** » Tue Feb 12, 2008 10:49 pm

yeh and put in some gongs and shit yo!

I'm fairly sure that simply using a pentatonic scale isnt going to make it sound Japanese...

That scale is a basis for loads of music... traditional irish music, blues, rock americana etc.

auan · Post by **auan** » Wed Feb 13, 2008 12:02 am

Pentatonic scale is also common in Chinese music, believe it or not.

There are quite a few Japanese scales, try these. (Key of A in brackets)

Hirajoshi - 1, 2, b3, 5, b6, 8 (A, B, C, E, F, A)
Kumoi - 1, 2, b3, 5, 6, 8 (A, B, C, E, F#, A)
Iwato - 1, b2, 4, b5, b7, 8 (A, Bb, D, Eb, G, A)

Iwato is my fave. Moody as fuck, but you can't really build chords out of it, it only really works over a root bass note.

Info is from this book. There's loads of exotic scales for guitarists in there, and loads for keyboardists right here. My god, actual music theory in dubstepforum!

The actual instruments btw, if you're thinking of the things Kode9 and RZA use in a lot of their tunes (Subkontinent, Fukkaz, Da Mystery of Chessboxin), are called Kotos (big weird zither type thing) and Shamisens (more like a banjo). Happy googling.

vadarfone · Post by **vadarfone** » Wed Feb 13, 2008 4:22 am

Yeah, shamisen is probably the thing you are thinking of.

Funnily enough I went to a shamisen gig last night. Was wicked.

Best way would be to record and chop, as you aint going to synth something like this (as with any real instrument).

__________ · Post by **__________** » Wed Feb 13, 2008 4:33 am

i was told eastern music uses different intervals between notes, like 1/4 of a semitone.

is this true or am i being taught bullshit at college? (wouldn't suprise me)

auan · Post by **auan** » Wed Feb 13, 2008 1:43 pm

Nah it's true, but it's more common in Indian music than Oriental I think. The sitar's tuned to quarter-tones.

lukesnarl · Post by **lukesnarl** » Wed Feb 13, 2008 2:00 pm

Auan wrote:Pentatonic scale is also common in Chinese music, believe it or not.

There are quite a few Japanese scales, try these. (Key of A in brackets)

Hirajoshi - 1, 2, b3, 5, b6, 8 (A, B, C, E, F, A)
Kumoi - 1, 2, b3, 5, 6, 8 (A, B, C, E, F#, A)
Iwato - 1, b2, 4, b5, b7, 8 (A, Bb, D, Eb, G, A)

Iwato is my fave. Moody as fuck, but you can't really build chords out of it, it only really works over a root bass note.

Info is from this book. There's loads of exotic scales for guitarists in there, and loads for keyboardists right here. My god, actual music theory in dubstepforum!

The actual instruments btw, if you're thinking of the things Kode9 and RZA use in a lot of their tunes (Subkontinent, Fukkaz, Da Mystery of Chessboxin), are called Kotos (big weird zither type thing) and Shamisens (more like a banjo). Happy googling.

excellent post Auan

may I also suggest to DZA88 that they try n track down someone in their community who can play a Koto, Shamisen or chinese violin or whatever they can come across and stick em in front of a mic....

never know how much fun and inspiration you can get from involving another musician - esp one with a different approach/training/headspace etc

go to your local chinese temple or japanese cultural centre....

just an idea...
:L

djake · Post by **djake** » Wed Feb 13, 2008 2:08 pm

lukesnarl wrote: go to your local chinese temple or japanese cultural centre....

nearest fing to that we have dwn here is a chinese takeaway

lukesnarl · Post by **lukesnarl** » Wed Feb 13, 2008 2:16 pm

well that may indeed be a good place to start. seriously.

you never know what people with what talents are lurking in your ends.

til you ask....

auan · Post by **auan** » Wed Feb 13, 2008 2:31 pm

"Portion of spare ribs, king prawn szechuan, fried rice, and you don't happen to play the shamisen, do you...?"

lukesnarl · Post by **lukesnarl** » Wed Feb 13, 2008 2:37 pm

heh heh

exactly....

(except that's the japanese instrument and given the invasion circa WWii they may take the question as an insult.... the Gu Zheng or chinese zither may be a better conversational drop in in such a restaurant - see http://www.philmultic.com/home/instruments/ for more....)
:L

ps at least here in sydney you often see old chinese dudes busking on the street playing the Erhu (2-string chinese violin) - so it seems like a common instrument too.... dunno really....

djake · Post by **djake** » Wed Feb 13, 2008 4:15 pm

Auan wrote:"Portion of spare ribs, king prawn szechuan, fried rice, and you don't happen to play the shamisen, do you...?"

hahahahahahahaha

ascend · Post by **ascend** » Wed Feb 13, 2008 4:23 pm

Auan wrote:Pentatonic scale is also common in Chinese music, believe it or not.

There are quite a few Japanese scales, try these. (Key of A in brackets)

Hirajoshi - 1, 2, b3, 5, b6, 8 (A, B, C, E, F, A)
Kumoi - 1, 2, b3, 5, 6, 8 (A, B, C, E, F#, A)
Iwato - 1, b2, 4, b5, b7, 8 (A, Bb, D, Eb, G, A)

Iwato is my fave. Moody as fuck, but you can't really build chords out of it, it only really works over a root bass note.

Info is from this book. There's loads of exotic scales for guitarists in there, and loads for keyboardists right here. My god, actual music theory in dubstepforum!

The actual instruments btw, if you're thinking of the things Kode9 and RZA use in a lot of their tunes (Subkontinent, Fukkaz, Da Mystery of Chessboxin), are called Kotos (big weird zither type thing) and Shamisens (more like a banjo). Happy googling.

decklyn · Post by **decklyn** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 12:59 am

Ascend wrote:
Auan wrote:Pentatonic scale is also common in Chinese music, believe it or not.

There are quite a few Japanese scales, try these. (Key of A in brackets)

Hirajoshi - 1, 2, b3, 5, b6, 8 (A, B, C, E, F, A)
Kumoi - 1, 2, b3, 5, 6, 8 (A, B, C, E, F#, A)
Iwato - 1, b2, 4, b5, b7, 8 (A, Bb, D, Eb, G, A)

Iwato is my fave. Moody as fuck, but you can't really build chords out of it, it only really works over a root bass note.

Info is from this book. There's loads of exotic scales for guitarists in there, and loads for keyboardists right here. My god, actual music theory in dubstepforum!

The actual instruments btw, if you're thinking of the things Kode9 and RZA use in a lot of their tunes (Subkontinent, Fukkaz, Da Mystery of Chessboxin), are called Kotos (big weird zither type thing) and Shamisens (more like a banjo). Happy googling.

Yah large post. I'm going to get out of the standar modes for a bit. Always forget to press this direction for inspiration. Also want to learn a bit more about traditional indian 'raga' music, and see if I can work those concepts/scales in.

crystal_darkness · Post by **crystal_darkness** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 3:50 am

Had to study this at uni. Each Indian scale (raga) corresponds to an emotion or mood, like happiness, humour etc. Every color or food is somehow linked to a piece of music - provides endless inspiration for a composer.

You could try Chinese samples instead of Japanese as well. There's some beautiful instruments and some of their traditional music sounds a lot like electronica, all repeating motifs intermingling, some of it quite brutal sounds.

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