Gutterbreakz is takin the piss!

gutter · Post by **gutter** » Sat May 20, 2006 12:25 am

Jesus, its like a flashback to 18 months ago when i got shit for MP3s back then. Alot of people got into this music from the tunes I used to post. But since then I've had to totally change the way i operate to accomodate dubstep ethics...i had to start buying vinyl again, i had to learn how to mix again so i could share sounds in the 'approved' manner, i've done everything to be accomodating, but this is just a one-off, speading some love for those in need. when i was digitising these tracks earlier this week i was just thinking "fuck, this shit is still moving me, but how many new recruits or non-vinyl/oversees fans are ever gonna hear these beats in all their full glory, or even know of their existence?". So here they are. Get over it.

PS, if you like what you hear, and you got some spare cash and a deck, you might like to buy some of these releases. The only place I know currently selling Big Apple catalogue is http://www.independance-records.co.uk/. The Tempa stuff is also available at http://rootedrecords.co.uk/

PPS, I'm surprised that link hasn't expired yet, too!

elgato · Post by **elgato** » Sat May 20, 2006 12:41 am

whitebait wrote:exactly, just because it's Gutterbreakz doesn't mean it's alright to share other peoples music without permission and that's dangerous.

see my statements in those other threads if you want to check for inconsistencies. however, its worth saying that it obviously does make a difference who is sharing, what the context is and the authority behind the files, im not going to try and claim to know or be able to quantify the difference, but it shouldnt be dismissed offhand

cede · Post by **cede** » Sat May 20, 2006 5:31 am

Re: MP3s. They are a weird format.

I have a label and my first release was not pirated in anyway and only sold about half of the copies pressed.

My second release WAS pirated and I have nearly sold out a SECOND pressing.

I dont mind MP3s so much, but I think my intentions are good when it comes to them. I will download tracks I already own on vinyl to avoid digitizing them myself. Or I will download some mp3s to hear better clips before I decide to buy. If I dont like the track I trash the MP3.

Not everyone has the same intentions though.

whitebait · Post by **whitebait** » Sat May 20, 2006 5:32 am

Gutter wrote: i've done everything to be accomodating

except ask permission and how about if we all do a one off and post up 320's on SLSK or on here?

cede · Post by **cede** » Sat May 20, 2006 5:34 am

Whitebait, which one of the tunes he gave out did you produce? I am unfamiliar with your aliases.

whitebait · Post by **whitebait** » Sat May 20, 2006 5:46 am

^spare me your slackwit. Dude ripped a bunch of tunes that weren't his and put em out as hi bit mp3s for free without asking the artists first. All I know is I wouldn't want someone giving out hi bit versions of my shit unless I was doing it or unless they'd asked me first. It doesn't matter who they are or what they think they've done for the scene or record sales. So what if they wer'nt going to be repressed? They could easily have been made available for download on bleep or somewhere and people could have paid. So how about if we all do it ?

el sub sta · Post by **el sub sta** » Sat May 20, 2006 6:41 am

If the artists have a problem then they can contact gutter themselves, its not really anyones elses concern.

I think more people need to cater for the overseas listeners, more free stuff for them.

I do like this forum, but its often seems like some house of lords type place where people try and pass legislations on what’s right and what’s wrong within dubstep.
Where the only people who try and stop the restraints people put on the scene are the influential artists themselves.

whitebait · Post by **whitebait** » Sat May 20, 2006 6:56 am

el sub sta wrote:If the artists have a problem then they can contact gutter themselves, its not really anyones elses concern.

I think more people need to cater for the overseas listeners, more free stuff for them.

werd on the first point

. I don't see why anyone should have to cater for the overseas listener any differently though. They can buy stuff online just like anyone else.

drbluebeat · Post by **drbluebeat** » Sat May 20, 2006 7:07 am

It's denting my love affair with dubstep. I would have thought anyone artist or consumer at this level would realise sharing mp3's in the way of soulseek, emule, kazaa or simply ripping high bit mp3's like Gutter did just gets the message further, wider, faster.

If a consumer is the sort of person who will just take and does not spend money on music then is any money lost by the artist if that person was not going to buy anyway?

Piracy is wrong - if Gutter was making money from these then that is money that should be going directly to the artist. But he is not.

If people like Gutter had not been doing this then I would not have found dubstep as I have explained in other posts. As much as I can afford to spend on music I do and I spend no less if I download shared music in fact it normally means I buy more and this trend is consistent amongst downloaders.

If it was easier to buy the music in the first place then more money would go to artists and I am all for buying direct from the artists. When I can't afford to buy any more music I download shared music, this feeds my addiction builds my love and ensures I keep shelling out.

Dammnit this thread has annoyed me so much I am going to put my entire digital collection on soulseek

drbluebeat · Post by **drbluebeat** » Sat May 20, 2006 7:11 am

whitebait wrote:They can buy stuff online just like anyone else.

A lot of it isn't online and even if it was how would we know it existed or what it was if it wasn't for P2P and sharing a la Gutter?

See my post above.

whitebait · Post by **whitebait** » Sat May 20, 2006 7:25 am

My mate skrimshank gets a mail order list every week here in NZ and ticks the boxes of the tunes he wants which arrive the next week or so. He's been doing it for years and has the wicked selection of dubstep vinyl.He even scored a white label of skreams ancient memories remix about a month or so ago before wide release. It's out there and you don't need to be spoonfed to find it. I'm all for mp3 sharing but only by the artists or their agents. Gutter could also have only put em out as 128bits also.
So what's your SLSK name drbluebeat

rjv · Post by **rjv** » Sat May 20, 2006 8:03 am

well, i couldn't even buy these tunes because i don't have a credit card. i only have to rely on what the local shop has to offer, and it isn't much.

and i don't even have turntables, but i still buy vinyl. and i would buy mp3's as well, all shops require a credit card or paypal, so there goes.

the finnish mp3 shops support paying with debit card, though, so i sometimes buy stuff from those, but as you can guess, there's no dubstep available.

deapoh · Post by **deapoh** » Sat May 20, 2006 8:12 am

Come on this is taking the piss. More and more people getting Serato Scratch and shit like it, they won't buy vinyls they'll just download what you ripped and play that without the artist getting any money.

Thats what I made sure about Barefiles that none of the mixes are copyright and that none of them are single tracks.

Sort it out.

northern light · Post by **northern light** » Sat May 20, 2006 8:16 am

Why isn't Tempa on Bleep anyway? I cannot imagine a scenario where they were not invited when Road was first set up. Are they being up-nosed or something?

We need the rebels to get the weels in motion!

drbluebeat · Post by **drbluebeat** » Sat May 20, 2006 8:17 am

whitebait wrote:So what's your SLSK name drbluebeat

Actually, for all my talk, I don't share music except for lending friends CD's. I do however download when I am short of money.

ramadanman · Post by **ramadanman** » Sat May 20, 2006 8:20 am

i dont think gutter you should have made them 320s

putting them at 320s is basically saying - play these tracks out

you don't need 320s for say home listening or on ipods etc

not really the best step forward...

drbluebeat · Post by **drbluebeat** » Sat May 20, 2006 8:31 am

The reason we are arguing this is because there is a little bit of truth in what all of us are saying. Not one of is 100% right or 100% wrong.

Thought for the day: Dubstepforum.com has meant I spend less on dubstep. Why? Becasue I listened to SubFM and heard Rockaway and then spent half my debstep allownace on Reggae!

whitebait · Post by **whitebait** » Sat May 20, 2006 8:32 am

Northern light wrote:Why isn't Tempa on Bleep anyway? I cannot imagine a scenario where they were not invited when Road was first set up. Are they being up-nosed or something?

We need the rebels to get the weels in motion!

I reckon it might have something to do with tempa being an ammunition imprint and tied to the ever forthcoming, still in the pipeline new and improved dubplate.net

showguns · Post by **showguns** » Sat May 20, 2006 8:40 am

on a serious note… a vinyl rip of mawu dub is going to hurt further digital mystikz sales? your kid brother hearing london on his ipod is going to kill dubstep and music in general? fuck.

whitebait · Post by **whitebait** » Sat May 20, 2006 8:43 am

^not if only one person does it but if everybody did and the message we got from on high was that it's cool to do it then yeah maybe, fuck I don't know

Gutterbreakz is takin the piss!

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