Gutterbreakz is takin the piss!

whitebait · Post by **whitebait** » Mon May 22, 2006 3:03 am

Did gutter take down his whole blog because of this ?

http://gutterbreakz.blogspot.com/

marsyas · Post by **marsyas** » Mon May 22, 2006 3:11 am

eeek i hope not !!

m9918868 · Post by **m9918868** » Mon May 22, 2006 6:54 am

Oh damnit. The best blog on dubstep gone.

Bring it back, please, mr. Gutter.

bass clef · Post by **bass clef** » Mon May 22, 2006 9:50 am

I don't know how anyone could think that Gutta has anything but love for music and artists and he is so obviously just about spreading the word and getting more people into the sounds...
Those tunes were available for a handful of quick-witted people for a really short time
versus all the people who've heard tunes, bought tunes because of him...

get a grip

luke.envoy · Post by **luke.envoy** » Mon May 22, 2006 11:03 am

bass clef wrote:I don't know how anyone could think that Gutta has anything but love for music and artists and he is so obviously just about spreading the word and getting more people into the sounds...
Those tunes were available for a handful of quick-witted people for a really short time
versus all the people who've heard tunes, bought tunes because of him...

get a grip

u give me jokes

if he loved the artists so much, then why didnt he ask them before giving their tracks away for free

dont tell people to get a grip when your not even taking basic respect for the artists into consideration

elgato · Post by **elgato** » Mon May 22, 2006 11:17 am

i think that the reason he gave them away for free is because while he clearly loves the artists, he also loves (or loved) his readers and the community at grass roots level, and wanted to make a small, symbolic act to demonstrate this, one which was most likely really very minor in its actual impact on sales (even if we accept the fairly questionable assumption that mp3 sharing is a simple matter of damage rather than creating any positive impact).

So i can see that some artists might take that as disrespectful or whatever, but I just think that the way he's being characterised as he is, deserving of all this disdain and aggression being poured on him, is a complete joke. He's a passionate, enthusiastic guy with a lot of love for the music and the scene, and so he might have made a mistake, maybe they shouldve been 128s or something, maybe he "shouldn't" have done it at all, but I would just hope for a bit more slack to be given for someone who is obviously such a desirable element in the scene. That same enthusiasm and passion has thus far played a very welcome role in the internet scene, and I think its a real shame that people dont seem to be appreciating that, and that he's been lashed out at like this.

I only hope that this doesnt alienate him from the scene, and that he comes back, knowing that there are many still here that appreciate him

whitebait · Post by **whitebait** » Mon May 22, 2006 11:18 am

m9918868 wrote:Oh damnit. The best blog on dubstep gone.

Bring it back, please, mr. Gutter.

werd

no need to spit the dummy

m9918868 · Post by **m9918868** » Mon May 22, 2006 11:48 am

elgato wrote:So i can see that some artists might take that as disrespectful or whatever, but I just think that the way he's being characterised as he is, deserving of all this disdain and aggression being poured on him, is a complete joke. He's a passionate, enthusiastic guy with a lot of love for the music and the scene, and so he might have made a mistake, maybe they shouldve been 128s or something, maybe he "shouldn't" have done it at all, but I would just hope for a bit more slack to be given for someone who is obviously such a desirable element in the scene. That same enthusiasm and passion has thus far played a very welcome role in the internet scene, and I think its a real shame that people dont seem to be appreciating that, and that he's been lashed out at like this.

I only hope that this doesnt alienate him from the scene, and that he comes back, knowing that there are many still here that appreciate him

Exactly.

Can somebody explain me, by the way, why this has been dumped in the off-topic category? This forum wouldn't exist in the form it now exists if it were not for the numerous blogs on dubstep from which it evolved. The disappearance of one of the oldest, best written and most inspiring blogs on dubstep doesn't seem to me like something that belongs under the header 'off-topic' or even worse: 'crap'.

eli · Post by **eli** » Mon May 22, 2006 12:07 pm

elgato wrote:i think that the reason he gave them away for free is because while he clearly loves the artists, he also loves (or loved) his readers and the community at grass roots level, and wanted to make a small, symbolic act to demonstrate this, one which was most likely really very minor in its actual impact on sales (even if we accept the fairly questionable assumption that mp3 sharing is a simple matter of damage rather than creating any positive impact).

So i can see that some artists might take that as disrespectful or whatever, but I just think that the way he's being characterised as he is, deserving of all this disdain and aggression being poured on him, is a complete joke. He's a passionate, enthusiastic guy with a lot of love for the music and the scene, and so he might have made a mistake, maybe they shouldve been 128s or something, maybe he "shouldn't" have done it at all, but I would just hope for a bit more slack to be given for someone who is obviously such a desirable element in the scene. That same enthusiasm and passion has thus far played a very welcome role in the internet scene, and I think its a real shame that people dont seem to be appreciating that, and that he's been lashed out at like this.

I only hope that this doesnt alienate him from the scene, and that he comes back, knowing that there are many still here that appreciate him

I second this opinion... this is a sad day indeed... Gutters site is completely gone, just a few banners and flyers on a black background. I read his blog religiously and have found out about so much different kind of amazing music from him and today I sat down to see his site pretty much completely wiped! Dont know what to say really... speechless...

tronman · Post by **tronman** » Mon May 22, 2006 12:15 pm

hologram wrote:wouldnt mind having jazz lick on hard copy though

groundbreaking tune. loefah is a DAN for that!! that snare is DIRTTT!!!!

elgato · Post by **elgato** » Mon May 22, 2006 1:14 pm

whitebait wrote:no need to spit the dummy

how do you think it must have felt for him to invest so much energy and emotion into a scene (not just the music, everything that surrounds it) only to have a considerably vocal element of it to turn around and crticise him and shout him down for an act that, regardless of effect, or rights or wrongs, was committed with purity of intention?! I'd be fucking gutted if I were him, I dont blame him for wanting to allow it

But i dont want him to

big. up. gutterbreakz

whitebait · Post by **whitebait** » Mon May 22, 2006 1:25 pm

Harden up mate. We all make mistakes and it's only the internet

elgato · Post by **elgato** » Mon May 22, 2006 1:41 pm

tsk

shabby attitude

robjc · Post by **robjc** » Mon May 22, 2006 1:42 pm

Whitebait, believe me this is no hater post, but I wonder what has been your motivation posting on these boards since you joined? The dubstep community, being one that has been vastly welcoming to all who believe in the music, is normally a fairly tolerant of mistakes, etc, so I just wonder why people should "harden-up". Like a few of us here, we have read Gutterbreakz for a longtime now, and Nick has been a positive representative of dubstep, grime and electronica, both on the web, and on the Bristol scene for ages, for no profit other than the occasional free entry and release exclusive. Guilty of file sharing as he is, but lets not kick a man when he is down.

elgato · Post by **elgato** » Mon May 22, 2006 2:01 pm

whitebait wrote:Harden up mate. We all make mistakes and it's only the internet

Actually, you know what, i can see what you're saying now

Maybe we should strive to recreate and reinforce all of the individualism that has become so prevalent in society at large, but within our scene?! And on the internet. I mean, thats life i suppose, people should just deal with it i guess, why bother trying to create anything else?!

marsyas · Post by **marsyas** » Mon May 22, 2006 2:51 pm

its only been a day guys...maybe hes gonna use a new template or change the design?
i seriously doubt he will halt his entire blog just because of a few mp3's.

autonomic · Post by **autonomic** » Mon May 22, 2006 3:03 pm

I've been out of town and I'm not going to read over 7 pages of people arguing about filesharing.

But if Nick's blog really is gone, then dubstep has lost one of it's most dedicated, longstanding supporters. Arguments against his sharing files completely misunderstand the importance of Nick's efforts.

When grime was all people would talk about, I was learning about dubstep on his blog. That led me to start Riddm.ca and to start buying vinyl again. I've easily spent over $1200 on dubstep records in the past year and I've put more than half that again (as well as heaps of time) into a website that promotes the music. Most of the people I know outside of London have followed similar routes - first hearing mp3s, then, if they liked what they heard, becoming much more involved.

Nick's original argument was that the tracks he hosted were either unavailable on a non-vinyl format (not everyone's a DJ) or they were out of print, and were therefore being missed by potentially large audience. Seeing that as lost sales instead of valuable promotion is misguided.

It's intentions and effects are entirely different from p2p sharing of material that's readily available to anyone. I've seen members of this board on very high-traffic filesharing sites distributing material taken directly from Bleep.com.

People used to argue that they didn't want vinyl or couldn't afford shipping/exchange, but that they'd buy it if it came out on CD/mp3. But now the majority of it is there for $1.35 a track and people haven't changed their habits.

That's destructive. But Gutterbreakz has always been a force for good.

luke.envoy · Post by **luke.envoy** » Mon May 22, 2006 3:23 pm

HE DIDNT ASK THE ARTISTS/LABELS

end of story

robjc · Post by **robjc** » Mon May 22, 2006 3:35 pm

Luke - for that point you are absolutely right - its just the complete character assasination of Gutta that continued on this thread from people who haven't even taken the time to find out who Gutta is.

Anyway, lets start a new thread - How exclusive should dubstep be?...I appreciate that artists have the exclusive right to release material or not, but for limited release runs with no hope of represses, how does the average/overseas souljah legally get hold of the tunes they hear in the mixes? Dubstep has so much support, but it will dry up if people start fighting - together we are strong!

Sometimes its like holding sweets out to a kid, and then snatching them back when they show an interest...

robjc · Post by **robjc** » Mon May 22, 2006 3:38 pm

erm, how did this topic jump to the Dubstep page from Off Topic anyone????

Gutterbreakz is takin the piss!

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