not feeling this darkstep sh*t!

lone wolf · Post by **lone wolf** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 11:32 am

lone wolf rocks

Why thank you..

abZ · Post by **abZ** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 11:34 am

DuncanW wrote:
abZ wrote:There is a pretty simple solution to your problem. Don't listen to / support the music you don't like. Big up the stuff you do like. I don't really see the need for threads like this.
In that case, there is a pretty simple solution to your problem. Don't read / comment on the threads you don't like. Stick to the threads you do like. I don't really see the need for posts like yours.

Seriously. You may want to live in some spangly, happy-clappy world where nobody ever says nasty words about the things you like, but please don't assume that everyone else wants to live there, too.

I'm all for constructive criticism, this thread offers none. I want to live in a happy-clappy world? Is that what I am on about? Fucks sake.

duncanw · Post by **duncanw** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 12:03 pm

abZ wrote:I want to live in a happy-clappy world? Is that what I am on about?

Yeah. You are. You told the guy who started the thread to simply ignore (and keep quiet about) the stuff he didn't like and to only post about things he did like. It's all a bit raindrops-on-roses and whiskers-on-kittens, isn't it?

And - ok - it may not have been constructive criticism. But so what? The thread basically asks a "philosophical" or definitional question: is dubstep still dubstep if it uses the death metal sound palette?

In what way does it piss on your chips if people want to ask that kind of question, Julie Andrews?

contakt · Post by **contakt** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 12:18 pm

I really don't like mid-nineties boy bands. I hate it when I go out and buy loads of their albums and then have to come home and listen to them all. It's so annoying. If only there was a way I could avoid listening to them.

Oh well. I have to go out and but more Boyzone now. Goddammit.

EDIT: 'Raindrops and roses and whiskers on kittens'? I have no idea what that means, but I am using it as much as possible from now on.

shonky · Post by **shonky** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 12:30 pm

Hmmmm....

Should be pointed out that Mick Harris from Scorn, who many believe to be influential on the more industrial dubstep end of things used to play for Napalm Death.

So in a way it's actually got more to do with death metal from the off than dnb. And really most dnb's just been biting death metal's ass melodically and chord progression wise for years

bombaman · Post by **bombaman** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 12:31 pm

i somehow see this thread going the way of the grafitti thread from the general forum.........already...

primate · Post by **primate** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 12:31 pm

i get what you mean. i don't like it either, but i buy skull disco etc instead. it's been discussed. but the dub in dubstep doesn't only refernece dub reggae. it's the dubplate culture and the dub effects - not strictly the skank or off-beat. dubstep is just a bracket for bass/sound system music around a certain tempo.
it's garage, people. and everything else inbetween.

colour? not a music thing anymore. i thought we left that behind in the 70's....

all genre's suffer from fracturing. look at hiphop - madlib = hiphop, 50 cent = hiphop.... both quite different from eachother, i would say.

steppa · Post by **steppa** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 12:32 pm

DARKSTEP FTW! dont like it, dont listen. simple.

dushume · Post by **dushume** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 12:37 pm

darkstep?? i thought it was just dubstep.
i can listen to that darker metal sound for a little while but not for too long..like others have already said its up to you what you listen to, if you dont like it, dont listen to it.

rubisco · Post by **rubisco** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 12:58 pm

Looks like Darkstep has already been used to describe something entirely different to what you're on about:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darkstep

duncanw · Post by **duncanw** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 12:58 pm

Contakt wrote:EDIT: 'Raindrops and roses and whiskers on kittens'? I have no idea what that means, but I am using it as much as possible from now on.

It's a line from the song "My Favourite Things", which seems to sum up abZ's stance on "negative" posts pretty well:

Raindrops on roses and whiskers on kittens
Bright copper kettles and warm woolen mittens
Brown paper packages tied up with strings
These are a few of my favorite things

Cream colored ponies and crisp apple strudels
Doorbells and sleigh bells and schnitzel with noodles
Wild geese that fly with the moon on their wings
These are a few of my favorite things

Girls in white dresses with blue satin sashes
Snowflakes that stay on my nose and eyelashes
Silver white winters that melt into springs
These are a few of my favorite things

When the dog bites
When the bee stings
When I'm feeling sad
I simply remember my favorite things
And then I don't feel so bad

There you have it. Don't talk about the Bad Stuff. Only focus on the Good Stuff. And everything will be allll riiiight.

metalboxproducts · Post by **metalboxproducts** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 1:23 pm

fever wrote:

oddfellow · Post by **oddfellow** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 1:38 pm

primate wrote:i get what you mean. i don't like it either, but i buy skull disco etc instead. it's been discussed. but the dub in dubstep doesn't only refernece dub reggae. it's the dubplate culture and the dub effects - not strictly the skank or off-beat. dubstep is just a bracket for bass/sound system music around a certain tempo.
it's garage, people. and everything else inbetween.

colour? not a music thing anymore. i thought we left that behind in the 70's....

all genre's suffer from fracturing. look at hiphop - madlib = hiphop, 50 cent = hiphop.... both quite different from eachother, i would say.

Spot on

primate · Post by **primate** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 1:42 pm

dubstep is dead. long live DEEPSTEP

forensix (mcr) · Post by **forensix (mcr)** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 1:48 pm

primate wrote:dubstep is dead. long live DEEPSTEP

shut the fuck up it's all about jumpupstep

gravious · Post by **gravious** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 1:50 pm

DuncanW wrote:
abZ wrote:There is a pretty simple solution to your problem. Don't listen to / support the music you don't like. Big up the stuff you do like. I don't really see the need for threads like this.
In that case, there is a pretty simple solution to your problem. Don't read / comment on the threads you don't like. Stick to the threads you do like. I don't really see the need for posts like yours.

Seriously. You may want to live in some spangly, happy-clappy world where nobody ever says nasty words about the things you like, but please don't assume that everyone else wants to live there, too.

The original poster's right to complain about music probably shouldn't have come into this, but otherwise abZ highlights pretty much the only thing that a listener or "consumer" can do about it - which is don't buy/play/listen to stuff they don't like.

I honestly don't think putting up a thread like this is going to deter producers or djs from making and playing the music you don't like, nor stop labels putting it out if they like it, and there is a market.

One of the most commonly spouted aphorisms about dubstep is that it isn't (or wasn't...) too influenced by other genre boundaries. I have always thought this was a nice way to run things, "let a thousand flowers bloom" and all that, and if the consequence is that some turn out to be toadstools then thats the price you pay I suppose.

incyde · Post by **incyde** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 1:56 pm

Waste thread!!

It's all music dude..

not everyone likes everything.

spencertron · Post by **spencertron** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 2:04 pm

fever wrote:
anyone agree or disagree??

I disagree…and when it’s done well…they can work…like anything.

There are a lot of dub and roots reggae tunes which also borrow heavily and reference music that is not from it’s own genre…in every genre this happens. Why should this not apply to the producers of this genre? if this never happened, you would be left with a very narrow scope for progress. However basic something on the surface may seem…you will find that most music is a result of 2 or more genre’s mixing…name me one that isn’t?

Who decides what the boundaries are or should be?

Nobody is saying death metal is dub, you reckon scientist should never have released Heavy Metal Dub, or that dub side of the moon should never have been released…ok we draw the line at radiodread

stormfield · Post by **stormfield** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 2:06 pm

Producers just make whatever tunes they wanna make, simple. It's not like someone's gonna change their entire vibe just because of some random moaning on a forum.

Likewise, I dislike a load of boring cheesy halfstep reggae clones, but that doesn't stop people producing them

And now, time to browse back to that nice lesbian thread in the ninja hideout

slothrop · Post by **slothrop** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 2:13 pm

gravious wrote:The original poster's right to complain about music probably shouldn't have come into this, but otherwise abZ highlights pretty much the only thing that a listener or "consumer" can do about it - which is don't buy/play/listen to stuff they don't like.

Yeah, agree on both points. I'm not really feeling the whole WHERRRRRGGGHHHH RAAAAAGGGGHHHHH FFFFRRRURRRFFFF I SHALL EAT THY SOUL WHERRRRGGGHHH BRUZZZZZZZ ROTTING CORPSES SHALL FILL THE STREETS BRUAAAAAAGHHHH sort of vibe, but I tend to just listen to radio shows and DJs who I suspect aren't going to lean too heavily on that sound.

Fair play to the OP's right to say what he wants, though. Like someone else said, if you don't like the thread you don't have to read it.

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