70 or 140 bpm?

jolly wailer · Post by **jolly wailer** » Mon Mar 03, 2008 10:32 am

I like to work from 134 to 142

i like to sequence at 140ish.. but I'll also export somethings at 70 and resample them @ 140

foodstampz · Post by **foodstampz** » Sun Mar 09, 2008 5:30 pm

Shit crazy quiestion , i was thinking of this when hearing soem major tracks and wondered if the bpm is really slow. to fit all that swagger in , and make the bassline have more room to wobble and do thier thing.. i think it makes sense to try a slower tempo, , i was going to ask, but ill try it out.

hugh · Post by **hugh** » Sun Mar 09, 2008 5:36 pm

i still dont see how it makes a difference?

foodstampz · Post by **foodstampz** » Sun Mar 09, 2008 8:46 pm

i guess becuase you ehar soem of the current big tunes, they are slow and staggery , when you get into the sequencer. a lower tempo kind of fits it. but then you end up having to higher it. . all about wher you want your drums. but try it. with a slower bpm the crazy wobbles and basslines behave differently. far as this thread though looks like the upper range won. !

pupstar · Post by **pupstar** » Sun Mar 09, 2008 10:44 pm

i like 280 for drums and percusion, sumtimes at 140 its like i cant put sumthing where i want it, so 280 gives me more space, but then the bass has 2 be made on 140, neva tryed 70 tho, will do soon.

OoGuN · Post by **OoGuN** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 12:56 am

always use 142 so I can still mix all my dubs when I'm out of my skull on free dj drinks

or 350 if I mistakenly set a Technics M5G to +16

]redline[ · Post by **]redline[** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 3:01 am

From what I can hear, most DJ's I've heard play the tunes slightly faster than the 70/140 BPM "norm", sounds more like 143 or 144 (and yes it's possible to hear a tempo difference that small before anyone says anything, I'm new to the forum and havn't come here for slagging matches as I'm sure you all didn't either

) so maybe a transition in the Production side of Dubstep is occouring due to the way the DJ scene is, somewhat dictating the tempos Producers should be working to and by doing so this, in a sense, "futureproofs" their tracks (granted in the long run on a historical level these tempo variations are minimal, but obviously the key of the song will change relative to the speed. The best mixed tunes are also in key with each other I find!).

It's probably best to check your tunes at these faster tempos (as in a whole track speed-up to get an idea of how it will sound, and of course how it would feel in a mix) and conversely slower speeds dependant on the kind of scene you're aiming for.

lilt · Post by **lilt** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 7:53 am

a change of + or - 3% will change the pitch by a semi-tone
so the difference should be rather obvious to those who know their tunes

pah_jÃ© · Post by **pah_jÃ©** » Sat Mar 15, 2008 3:23 am

say you're playing with an LFO within a VST that can only top out at 1/32 will trill at 140, whereas at 70bpm will only sound like a sixteenth note oscillation. because of limitations such as this, i consider 140 to be the correct tempo within sequencing a track.

lilt · Post by **lilt** » Sat Mar 15, 2008 5:26 am

pah_jé wrote:say you're playing with an LFO within a VST that can only top out at 1/32 will trill at 140, whereas at 70bpm will only sound like a sixteenth note oscillation. because of limitations such as this, i consider 140 to be the correct tempo within sequencing a track.

what a wonderful contribution to the thread!
big ups

wagawaga · Post by **wagawaga** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 3:55 pm

junglist · Post by **junglist** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 4:38 pm

Is it that bad that I make all my tunes at 165bpm?

...it just seems to flow better for me.

FSTZ · Post by **FSTZ** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 4:58 pm

Junglist wrote:Is it that bad that I make all my tunes at 165bpm?

...it just seems to flow better for me.

well...

not if you are making dnb

165 is a bit fast for dubstep

COURT · Post by **COURT** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 6:23 pm

I'm with Mala on this.
He said... "I make music, whatever works for me, works for me.
If you wanna genre my music, create rules and boundaries around it.
Then do it.
It's your loss, You're the one in the pidgeon hole.

I just make music that i feel for and if people feel that presence too, then that's wicked."

drifterman_ · Post by **drifterman_** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 6:27 pm

rapid+dirty (grime producers - and very good ones) use 280

according to them it makes the track "skippier"

abstractsound · Post by **abstractsound** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 7:05 pm

i never even thought to try 280... i wanna try that on my drum tracks.. ive been working in the 143-148 range and then with lead synths some stuff almost sounds electro influenced.

wallace · Post by **wallace** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 8:01 pm

wAgAwAgA wrote:280

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thump rat · Post by **thump rat** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 9:32 pm

I pretty much write my dubstep tunes at 140bpm standard, its easier and unless i can find a better groove at a different bpm then i stick to that, saying that i have tunes from 135-145bpm which i call dubstep tunes, but most fall at 140bpm. I enjoy writing at other speeds though, as much as i love 140bpm, i often find when its a two-step or 4/4 pattern it doesn't leave enough space or groove, so i write alot of the time at 110-135bpm for techno, electro, house and breaks tunes. I also write dnb at around 168-174bpm and hip hop stuff at 75-110bpm. It does get annoying that sometimes my best tunes will probably never reach an audience past my friend circle and a few fellow producers, but meh, i have good fun making em and pick up alot of techniques and ideas along the way.

tuck · Post by **tuck** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 10:21 pm

70bpm for writing, 140 for stepping. Halving the tempo lets you cut loose with snacky 32nd snare rolls (ref:"Raw" by After Dark and Itchy Robot) but the true dubstep tempo is got to be 140 bpm for the nodding of the heads.

Maybe I'm missing the point. The beauty of dubstep (for me, anyway) is the half time feel of it. Your feet hardly move while you're bobbing and weaving like a maniac from the waist up.

Don't even get me started on bass line triplet stabs.

abstractsound · Post by **abstractsound** » Sat Mar 29, 2008 1:24 pm

::: starts Tuck on bassline triplet stabs :::

thought itd be worth a shot

70 or 140 bpm?

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