hiphop style

j_j · Post by **j_j** » Wed May 24, 2006 8:54 am

how is hip hop influenced by reggae ..i dnt hear Busy Bee chattin patwa?....hip hop isnt anything to do with dubstep...no one in the uk can even make good hip hop ..it a yankee thing...

shonky · Post by **shonky** » Wed May 24, 2006 9:39 am

J_J wrote:how is hip hop influenced by reggae ..i dnt hear Busy Bee chattin patwa?....hip hop isnt anything to do with dubstep...no one in the uk can even make good hip hop ..it a yankee thing...

Hip Hop wasn't strictly influenced by reggae, though they both come from r'n'b (Stax rather than Beyonce). Both have traditions of MC's, DJ's and soundsystems and cheeky lifts of contemporary tunes in common.

If it wasn't for hip-hop, we probably wouldn't have had electro, wouldn't have had house, no old skool, no jungle, no garage, no grime, no dubstep. If you took Kraftwerk out of the equation, you probably wouldn't have most of the music you listen to today. It's not a direct influence, but can't imagine it'd exist without it.

For good examples of UK Hip-hop you could check out some of the examples in the above thread and maybe listen to Blood Fire by the Nextmen, which is a good mix of dancehall, roots and hip hop.

doomstep · Post by **doomstep** » Wed May 24, 2006 12:10 pm

Shonky wrote:
If it wasn't for hip-hop, we probably wouldn't have had electro, wouldn't have had house,

hhhmmmm interesting theory . . .

anyway. re. hip-hop & JA:

http://depthome.brooklyn.cuny.edu/isam/NewsletS05/Marshall.htm wrote:Kool Herc recounts the dangers of such an outsider identity: “At that time [the early 1970s], being Jamaican wasn’t fashionable. Bob Marley didn’t come through yet to make it more fashionable, to even give a chance for people to listen to our music. . . . I remember one time a guy said, ‘Clive, man, don’t walk down that way cause they throwing Jamaicans in garbage cans.’”

capes · Post by **capes** » Wed May 24, 2006 12:19 pm

8bitwonder · Post by **8bitwonder** » Wed May 24, 2006 2:22 pm

roots manuva!

j_j · Post by **j_j** » Wed May 24, 2006 2:55 pm

nextmen r shite ...absolute middle class attempts at proper music from n.y ..no matter how many us rappers they drag in via their label.. nah mate ..im not convinced ..i prefer the real thing...
roots manuva ..i thought he did ok u know..tho hes jus not count bass d ....
neway..its all about CRACK RAP !!!!
out to those that know !!!caaaannnooonnnzzzz !!!!!

elgato · Post by **elgato** » Wed May 24, 2006 3:06 pm

about reggae and that, bruv i know you know about hijack (not skream's brother!), london posse and all a dem... surely west indian influences must have been massive for them? And pretty direct i reckon

i reckon uk have produced some sick hip-hop. im not as into the central bunch (task force, jehst etc) as i used to be but i still reckon they had moments of absolute brilliance, it aspires to something a long way from most us hip-hop and i dont think its any the worse for that. roots manuva is sick, rodney p has his moments (especially in the early days), new flesh for old, all sick in my opinion

on the more general level regarding hip-hop and dubstep, i reckon loefah has listens to a LOT of hip-hop in his days, and a lot of tunes i hear aren't a million miles from crunk

elgato · Post by **elgato** » Wed May 24, 2006 3:10 pm

and most important of all probably, i bet most top 2step producers from back in day would cite timbaland as a massive influence

j_j · Post by **j_j** » Wed May 24, 2006 3:34 pm

^ nah man...neway ..zzzzzzz

djshiva · Post by **djshiva** » Wed May 24, 2006 6:58 pm

J_J wrote:hip hop has nothing to do with dubstep whatsoever ........

yeah, cuz hip hop DEFINITELY had NO influence on DJing, or sampling, or anything like that AT ALL.

docdoom · Post by **docdoom** » Wed May 24, 2006 7:43 pm

J_J wrote:how is hip hop influenced by reggae ..i dnt hear Busy Bee chattin patwa?....hip hop isnt anything to do with dubstep...no one in the uk can even make good hip hop ..it a yankee thing...

Nah...

Kool Herc, who the history books usually cite as the most important first DJ was actually from Kingston and used to play reggae!

Lee Perry was doing mad sampling at the Black Ark in the 70s which is similar to hiphop.

Then the idea of versioning the same riddim over and over is identical to that of grime, i mean i have three records of the pumpum riddim, all with different vocals over the exact same riddim.

As for the UK/US thing i agree 98% of classic material is US but theres nothing inherently preventing UK people making classics. Lewis Parkers first lp, first Roots Manuva lp, New Flesh's 'Understanding' are all total gems imo. To dismiss it as simply a yank ting is a bit over-reductive. I mean couldnt we say garage is simply (originally) a yank music and then we wouldnt have UKG and then we wouldnt have dubstep!

crimeandgrunk · Post by **crimeandgrunk** » Wed May 24, 2006 8:52 pm

ALL music is interrelated. All art is interrelated. "art" and "non-art" are interrelated. EVERYTHING is interrelated. Our monkey brains, offensively hip hop or not, need labels and classifications for the sake of practicality. The map ain't the territory, though.

crimeandgrunk · Post by **crimeandgrunk** » Wed May 24, 2006 8:54 pm

also, and I don't mean to condescend in any way, in my experience people who claim not to like hip hop usually haven't heard the right stuff.

human? · Post by **human?** » Wed May 24, 2006 9:15 pm

kill genre

seriously, i listen to dubstep and CAN HEAR the last 30 years of electronic music..

i HEAR reggae, i HEAR Hiphop, i HEAR Jungle....

all these terms exist solely for commodification purposes. they dont in any way describe the essence of the music, or the people who make it, and in a lot of ways fuck us up from realizing that we have one universal musical front. because theres no name for it, it doesnt exist? nah, theres no name for it because it cant be boxed and sold to you...

one music.

one
human?

crimeandgrunk · Post by **crimeandgrunk** » Wed May 24, 2006 9:32 pm

EXACTLY.

j_j · Post by **j_j** » Wed May 24, 2006 10:08 pm

missed my point..

docdoom · Post by **docdoom** » Wed May 24, 2006 10:10 pm

human? wrote:kill genre

seriously, i listen to dubstep and CAN HEAR the last 30 years of electronic music..

i HEAR reggae, i HEAR Hiphop, i HEAR Jungle....

all these terms exist solely for commodification purposes. they dont in any way describe the essence of the music, or the people who make it, and in a lot of ways fuck us up from realizing that we have one universal musical front. because theres no name for it, it doesnt exist? nah, theres no name for it because it cant be boxed and sold to you...

one music.

one
human?

I get what you are saying but i think to claim the only motivation behind lablelling as being commodity formation is false.

Labels are very useful. They can be problematic at times -just look at the debate about what consitutes dubstep- but at the end of that day everyone has sonic preferences. Some of us love Jungle, some techno, some rock etc etc. These things all sound different so why shouldn't we differentiate between them?

People claiming to love all good music and only dislike bad music are kidding themsleves - we all have deeply embedded influences and preferences that preclude us from enjoying 'good' music is some genres imo. I dont enjoy, say, any 'indie' music at all but im sure some of it is good.

doomstep · Post by **doomstep** » Wed May 24, 2006 10:13 pm

Only thing poppin in hip hop fr me right now is Crime Mob & Crack Rap & my old Tuff Crew albums . . . . WE CAME T WRECK SHOP ! ! ! truss

j_j · Post by **j_j** » Wed May 24, 2006 10:39 pm

BAWK !!BAWK !!CHICKEN CHICKEN !! BAWK !! BAWK !!CHICKENHEAD !!!!

marsyas · Post by **marsyas** » Wed May 24, 2006 11:10 pm

doomstep wrote:Only thing poppin in hip hop fr me right now is Crime Mob & Crack Rap & my old Tuff Crew albums . . . . WE CAME T WRECK SHOP ! ! ! truss

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