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Post by kidlogic » Tue Mar 18, 2008 2:17 pm

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yeah, each to their own.....crack just seems too additive and was intentionally made by gangsters who wanted something more addictive and cheaper than coke to get people in the ghettos hooked.
Crack was invented by the CIA. Not a conspiracy theory, many ex-members of the CIA have come out and said so.

I havent read all of this thread, but from what I have read I agree with... if you feel you need drugs to go out and listen to dubstep or any other music for that matter, you have a problem. If it is an acompaniment that you indulge in occasionally, then to each his own.

Personally, I dont like being that fucked up in public. Id rather be at home with some good friends and comfy clothes, tunes I want to listen to and a setting I can control for my and my friends well mental well being.

Im pretty much over all of it though, all I like when I go out is some beer or a few mixers and some bowls or a joint. Maybe a RedBull or two if its an all nighter.

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Post by shonky » Tue Mar 18, 2008 2:19 pm

*Grand* wrote: we are all entitled to our opinion not going to beef anyone about it. i do find it funni how people put in place an argument for something that has no benefits for society. i guess when your on cocaine or you have taken some E you can be up all day.
Ever think that maybe it's the way society's run that makes people want to take drugs? If people are wanting to escape reality for whatever reason, surely the main way to change that would be to improve society.

Other things that serve little benefit to society

Private landlords, marketing people, fast food chains, reality tv "celebrities", stockbrokers, most politicians
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Post by stanton » Tue Mar 18, 2008 2:33 pm

Shonky wrote: Ever think that maybe it's the way society's run that makes people want to take drugs? If people are wanting to escape reality for whatever reason, surely the main way to change that would be to improve society.
I think the whole monotony of existence thing is perfectly valid without the need to use that 'it's society' line though. There is very little stopping most people who actually take drugs from going off and doing what they want, I would agree with you if the large majority on recreational drug users were 38 year old single mum's with 3 kids, a massive mortgage and a factory job living in Grimsby. Alcoholism though....
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Post by datura » Tue Mar 18, 2008 2:34 pm

The use and (misuse) of drugs is not a modern phenomenon. People have always sought ways to enhance mood/experience and as an escape of sorts.

The most dangerous element of drugs is the criminalisation of them which put profit ahead of quality.

The majority of drugs, when taken in moderation, cause no long term damage (that has been emphatically proven anyway).
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Post by *grand* » Tue Mar 18, 2008 2:34 pm

Shonky wrote:
*Grand* wrote: we are all entitled to our opinion not going to beef anyone about it. i do find it funni how people put in place an argument for something that has no benefits for society. i guess when your on cocaine or you have taken some E you can be up all day.
Ever think that maybe it's the way society's run that makes people want to take drugs? If people are wanting to escape reality for whatever reason, surely the main way to change that would be to improve society.

Other things that serve little benefit to society

Private landlords, marketing people, fast food chains, reality tv "celebrities", stockbrokers, most politicians
well we can talk about this all day. scrap all the fast food joints.. how many people would be unemployed, scrap marketing(my job btw) how will business promote what they have to sell so that they can possibly expand their companies and perhaps make a better life for themselves.

all what you pointed out has some some positive effect in one way or another overall. it adds up, regardless if it is a bit shitty. i don't see how an induced buzz from a tablet or some smoke does....

haha i do not want to turn into an economist on you.. i am at home..
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Post by kins83 » Tue Mar 18, 2008 2:37 pm

I think creatively, drugs have had an enormous impact on many writers, musicians and artists. I think that culturally, these people do have an impact on society.
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Post by badger » Tue Mar 18, 2008 2:39 pm

*Grand* wrote:well we can talk about this all day. scrap all the fast food joints.. how many people would be unemployed, scrap marketing(my job btw) how will business promote what they have to sell so that they can possibly expand their companies and perhaps make a better life for themselves.
why exactly do marketing companies have to expand? not everything in life has to be about getting bigger and making more money. this is precisely why so many people end up poorer, either by comparison or end up actually poorer because they are tricked into buying things they don't need. if you take a look in so many shops there's so much complete shit that no-one needs. remember seeing a quote a while back from some chinese factory worker wondering why the fuck he was making something that was completely pointless. if the person making it can see this, why can't the people buying the product see the same? and answer is marketing

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Post by shonky » Tue Mar 18, 2008 2:42 pm

*Grand* wrote:well we can talk about this all day. scrap all the fast food joints.. how many people would be unemployed, scrap marketing(my job btw) how will business promote what they have to sell so that they can possibly expand their companies and perhaps make a better life for themselves.
How much of what business sells is actually necessary? How much additional cost does the economy bear from obesity and associated health problems caused by over-consumption of fast food.

And bearing in mind that not everyone can get rich, and that it's clear that trickle-down economics never actually work (although great way of selling tax cuts to the rich to poor voters), then it's basically a few doing well and most people living in shit.
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Post by BLZDub » Tue Mar 18, 2008 2:42 pm

Oh look, another drug thread where everyone thinks their opinion is right...

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Post by *grand* » Tue Mar 18, 2008 2:44 pm

it both has some positive and negative points. But at the end of the day marketing is a crucial element to business. Put it like this as the world expands so do business opportunities, in this world most people are about the benjamins marketing is how they increase/control their flow of them.
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Post by kidlogic » Tue Mar 18, 2008 2:45 pm

kins83 wrote:I think creatively, drugs have had an enormous impact on many writers, musicians and artists. I think that culturally, these people do have an impact on society.
I was gonna quote Bill Hicks on this point exactly...

something like (Im paraphrasing) "if you think drugs havent done anything good take all your favorite albums and cds and burn them, cause the artists who made them.... reaaaaaaaaly fucked up on drugs..."

Theres also an interesting theory that drugs are the one of the catalysts in humans developing speach and language, mushrooms to be exact.

Also, beer had an enormous part in man becoming less nomadic and settling down into villages.

I would call that quite an impact on society.

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Post by *grand* » Tue Mar 18, 2008 2:45 pm

BLZDub wrote:Oh look, another drug thread where everyone thinks their opinion is right...

YAWN

Next (please, I beg of you).
Someone draw something in paint or something.
it has moved on.
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Post by badger » Tue Mar 18, 2008 2:47 pm

*Grand* wrote:it both has some positive and negative points. But at the end of the day marketing is a crucial element to business. Put it like this as the world expands so do business opportunities, in this world most people are about the benjamins marketing is how they increase/control their flow of them.
that's pretty much the entire problem with much of society today though grand. big businesses and the economy is more important people. people get fucked over by employers/the government or whatever kind of big business it may be. people get depressed and turn to drugs to brighten their life up a bit

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Post by *grand* » Tue Mar 18, 2008 2:49 pm

Shonky wrote:
*Grand* wrote:well we can talk about this all day. scrap all the fast food joints.. how many people would be unemployed, scrap marketing(my job btw) how will business promote what they have to sell so that they can possibly expand their companies and perhaps make a better life for themselves.
How much of what business sells is actually necessary? How much additional cost does the economy bear from obesity and associated health problems caused by over-consumption of fast food.

And bearing in mind that not everyone can get rich, and that it's clear that trickle-down economics never actually work (although great way of selling tax cuts to the rich to poor voters), then it's basically a few doing well and most people living in shit.
i cannot justify the existance of fast food, but i can justify the jobs it creates for individuals. ?And it is unfortunate that we live in a world where for every person that is doing well there is someone worse off.

i haven't got all the answers, well i have... there is a simple one the federal reserve bank spend some of the silly money it has on building up the infastructure of some of the poorest developing hubs... but that aint ever going to happen as eventually there will be no one to keep down.

just going to have to keep on stepping.
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Post by *grand* » Tue Mar 18, 2008 2:51 pm

badger wrote:
*Grand* wrote:it both has some positive and negative points. But at the end of the day marketing is a crucial element to business. Put it like this as the world expands so do business opportunities, in this world most people are about the benjamins marketing is how they increase/control their flow of them.
that's pretty much the entire problem with much of society today though grand. big businesses and the economy is more important people. people get fucked over by employers/the government or whatever kind of big business it may be. people get depressed and turn to drugs to brighten their life up a bit
i see that. but drugs imo seems to be the easy way out, it's the laziest option one that requires the least amount of will power and energy to undertake with the desired results.
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Post by kidlogic » Tue Mar 18, 2008 2:55 pm

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yeah, each to their own.....crack just seems too additive and was intentionally made by gangsters who wanted something more addictive and cheaper than coke to get people in the ghettos hooked.
Crack was invented by the CIA. Not a conspiracy theory, many ex-members of the CIA have come out and said so.
Yeah? Wouldn't be suprised. I got it from this book: http://www.play.com/Books/Books/4-/5058 ... oduct.html read it a while ago so can't really remember the details but something about its origins and mafia types seeing coke selling well but too expensive for ghettos so wanted to push something cheaper but much more addictive to get money and control in those areas and actually sat down at board meetings and got chemists to develop something that would fit that criteria....proper stnuc!
Yeah, basically the CIA wanted a way to (as cliche as it sounds) keep the ghetto in check. So they started feeding crack to the people you were mentioning, the Mafia and the already established dealers in the Ghettos. The US govt was and still is one of the biggest drug trafficking organizationg in the world, hence the 'War on Drugs'. The 'War' makes the US govt so much money by incarcerating people, which is why they target the users and small time dealers more than the bigger problem which is the drugs coming into this country, and why legalization will never be an option for them. Hell, when Mexico tried to go the way of Portugal and decriminalize small amounts for personal use, the US govt pressured them into repealing that law and then subsequently burying the fact that they even attempted it.

Its also the reason that medicinal marijana has such an uphill battle in the US, even though most states want it. The govt hasnt figured out how to make as much money off of weed being legal as they make with it illegal.

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