hiphop style

djshiva · Post by **djshiva** » Thu May 25, 2006 4:04 am

J_J wrote:missed my point..

well, perhaps in the interest of clarity you should elaborate on your point.

i can certainly see what you mean from a philosophical standpoint, i.e. hip hop attitude, braggadocio, thug mentalities from the gangsta side of things.

but when it comes to the culture spawned from hip hop, i.e. turntables and sampling, i see the connections.

i think there is a really interesting discussion here, but maybe expanding on your reasons for seeing a disconnect would clear the fog so we could address each other's points easier?

marsyas · Post by **marsyas** » Thu May 25, 2006 4:13 am

J_J wrote:how is hip hop influenced by reggae..

its not just reggae though, its jamaican music in general.
dancehall and whatnot where toasting dubs way back in the day.

cheack out the 'dee jay explosion' record, and tell me those guys didnt influence rappers today.yellowman guesting on early rap tunes...

the list goes on.

that whole culture spawned the early hip-hop movements.
biting their ideas...

Undoubtedly the most influential Jamaican-American entertainer is DJ Kool Herc, who is often credited as the inventor of hip hop. He immigrated to New York City and brought with him the roots of hip hop -- a DJ isolating and repeating a percussion break while an MC spoke over the beats.

doomstep · Post by **doomstep** » Thu May 25, 2006 8:07 am

Marsyas wrote:must suck

watchyasayin ?

Only proper rap comin thru now is from south of the mason-dixon line man, imo, the rest is either indy twaddle or jus po(o)p. The one (theres more Im missin prob but yeah) exception being Madlib who is on a proper soundboy tip. To me he is like the exception that proves the rule

Kool Herc recounts the dangers of such an outsider identity:

Kool Herc wrote:“At that time [the early 1970s], being Jamaican wasn’t fashionable. Bob Marley didn’t come through yet to make it more fashionable, to even give a chance for people to listen to our music. . . . I remember one time a guy said, ‘Clive, man, don’t walk down that way cause they throwing Jamaicans in garbage cans.’”

I think this illustrates an interesting aspect of Kool Herc s transformation of JA soundsystem techniques in the American context. Hip-Hop can be seen as Clive s way of hide-ing his Jamaican heritage, this coupled with the fact that no JA sound used two turntables untill the late 80s or early 90s (which is why chat was needed, t fill the gaps) i.e after rap had started t influence tastes in JA further undermines any direct link from JA to NYC.

Reggae has prob. been influenced by hip-hop to a far greater degree than the other way round. Dancehall did not influence rap, rap influenced dancehall . . .

http://wayneandwax.blogspot.com/

^^^ always great. Wayne makes for top reading.

j_j · Post by **j_j** » Thu May 25, 2006 9:20 am

to some people hip hop created the fucking universe... there were turntables about b4 hip hop...so y r hip hop dj's responsible for giving us the view of dubstep ..they rnt..hip hop is miles from here ..
take off ur backpack n play 3 6 mafia ...

forensix (mcr) · Post by **forensix (mcr)** » Thu May 25, 2006 9:24 am

is anyone else really bored of this thread and wtf does it have to do with production

j_j · Post by **j_j** » Thu May 25, 2006 9:29 am

i used to run a rec shop with my mate selling hip hop n jungle...trust i saw many depressed anticonners and backpackers ....it looks like no fun to me..jus becuz i talk a bout crack rap dnt take me for a fool this is music ...thats all..
download young jeezy 'miss me with that rap shit' n get the point .

marsyas · Post by **marsyas** » Thu May 25, 2006 1:34 pm

doomstep wrote:
Marsyas wrote:must suck
watchyasayin ?

Only proper rap comin thru now is from south of the mason-dixon line man, imo, the rest is either indy twaddle or jus po(o)p. The one (theres more Im missin prob but yeah) exception being Madlib who is on a proper soundboy tip. To me he is like the exception that proves the rule

i am just sayin..it must suck.
because there is tons of stuff coming out...
alot of it may not reach as far as you are.

on the other hand i am sur ei know little to nothing of music from your country.

i hate crunk...and most of the dirty south stuff know is all crunk.
same re gurgitated shit, IMo the good southern rap ended in 98'.

i am actually growing tired of madlib, i dont think anyone deserves to have so much released as him.some of his side projects are just plain bad.all madlib now is a name, slap his name on album and u have indie success.

doomstep · Post by **doomstep** » Thu May 25, 2006 1:54 pm

Marsyas wrote:same re gurgitated shit

Its funny, most of the music I love falls into this catagory

elgato · Post by **elgato** » Thu May 25, 2006 3:35 pm

JJ, im well interested in your argument, but i just dont understand what you're saying

do you not classify 3-6 mafia and the dirty south as hip-hop? and do you think anticon and backpacks is all that 'hip-hop' means?

while i think a lot of people do think that, i personally dont think that, and i dont think you think that

but it seems like you're arguing from the starting point of that same narrow interpretation. is it not better to challenge ppl's ideas of what hip-hop is rather than just dismissing 'its' influence on dubstep?

cos i reckon there are loads of links between the two if we start from a definition thats larger than just 'backpacker' stuff

marsyas · Post by **marsyas** » Thu May 25, 2006 11:13 pm

doomstep wrote:
Marsyas wrote:same re gurgitated shit
Its funny, most of the music I love falls into this catagory

cool man. u are a good guy.
everyone likes waht they like...

mattyg · Post by **mattyg** » Fri May 26, 2006 1:38 am

My two tracks coming out on Argon records sample some hip hop, and seem to be getting a good response.

As for the Kool Herc argument, as I understand it he is responsible for starting the whole breaks culture. In the video documentary SKRATCH, he was the first person to strictly mix the breaks of rhythm and blues tracks, which was picked up by other dj's and made it's way into production. Although this isn't necessarily a direct link to reggae, this style was developed my a Jamaican imigrant in the U.S.

doomstep · Post by **doomstep** » Fri May 26, 2006 4:26 am

Marsyas wrote:
doomstep wrote:
Marsyas wrote:same re gurgitated shit
Its funny, most of the music I love falls into this catagory
cool man. u are a good guy.
everyone likes waht they like...

j_j · Post by **j_j** » Fri May 26, 2006 10:40 am

http://www.sendspace.com/file/uea4kt

PROPER HIP HOP !!!!!!

crazydave · Post by **crazydave** » Fri May 26, 2006 3:02 pm

doomstep wrote:my old Tuff Crew albums . . . . WE CAME T WRECK SHOP ! ! ! truss

Thank fuck for that WRECK SHOP reissue, for us late-comers...

that's my ish right there.

crimeandgrunk · Post by **crimeandgrunk** » Fri May 26, 2006 8:59 pm

The Living Legends show I went to last night was SICK.

ozols man · Post by **ozols man** » Sat May 27, 2006 12:51 pm

crimeandgrunk wrote:The Living Legends show I went to last night was SICK.

who was playing?

crimeandgrunk · Post by **crimeandgrunk** » Sun May 28, 2006 7:42 am

Eligh, LuckyIam and Scarub.

human? · Post by **human?** » Sun May 28, 2006 4:48 pm

crimeandgrunk wrote:Eligh, LuckyIam and Scarub.

good showmen.... very few cats i seen rock a show like legends...

scarub has always been my favorite lyricist from LL...

yo, now that i think about it, i could very easily see Eligh making dubstep...

matter of fact, ima go relisten to my gandalfs beat machines, i bet Eligh has already even made some dubstep.....

grym · Post by **grym** » Wed Apr 09, 2008 2:57 am

human? wrote:
crimeandgrunk wrote:Eligh, LuckyIam and Scarub.
good showmen.... very few cats i seen rock a show like legends...

scarub has always been my favorite lyricist from LL...

yo, now that i think about it, i could very easily see Eligh making dubstep...

matter of fact, ima go relisten to my gandalfs beat machines, i bet Eligh has already even made some dubstep.....

Eligh's down with DS. He flows over this Timbaland remix called "Raw Love" by RUF.

Saw him do it last time the Legends were in Seattle. . . shit is ridiculous:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYrGNDJxD-A

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