Live Dubstep

spencertron · Post by **spencertron** » Sat Mar 29, 2008 12:58 am

Misk wrote:oh, and i know clist. he and rachmiel are secret heroes of mine

yep, amongst many, valuable members of the r5 community. props to clist for is hard work on this.

Misk wrote:
spencerTron wrote:
suitcasepimp wrote:does this really count as live though??

At end of the day this is just dub to heart, a perfect live dubstep performace surely would have instruments?? drummer, percussionist, bass player and some synths, this would need a hefty collaboration and quite a bit of practice obviously... its what I'm working on at moment though.
yes...dunno...

i recorded a 2 minute 'live' jam/proof of concept...with the tools i use for live improv breakcore in reaktor, below is one of them...
improv_dubstep.mp3 - 4.47MB
bare in mind that this is a little rough and just a test, i got trigger happy with the live beat chopping and i think i need to quantize any input i make into my qwerty controller...but i'm just toying with idea's, sound generators, sequenced synths and exsisting sounds i've made aswell...but i recorded this live just a minute ago.

ps my pissing about might be a bit glitchy for some

BLU by clist (a product of the reaktor users community project based on the works by Tim Shaw (exile) i've been working/using this a great deal and still modifying it for my purposes...there's alot more to add and there's a couple of reaktor synths aswell, but this is the guts of where it happens, ...i'm currently writing a user manual for this patch, but this is my own version so far.

spencer, if i saw you doing this live, id hate it. Id hate on you, because i was jealous of you. this is badass. !

Ha...sorry, well...this is all i'm doing from now on live (or atleast my dubstep sounds in this ensemble and into my other ensembles i've been using live.). the thing i love about this ensemble is that it's 100% interaction with the interface (well atleast i am alot) busy mashing things up, bringing in new sounds, changing drum patterns, drum sounds, also using the qwerty and external midi keys.

Edit: i suppose there's gonna be no song writing from me i guess, just improvisation with set territories to take things. alot rests in the quality of prepared sounds and timing of the user...but im thinking about adding an auto cue function when selecting new sounds/sequences etc and, like i said quatization for the mangling because the above jam is all over the place really.

misk · Post by **misk** » Sat Mar 29, 2008 1:20 am

true, and i couldnt listen to just the above style for an hour or two. definitely have to change it up. I like your style though. I'll have to get some stuff up...

suitcasepimp · Post by **suitcasepimp** » Sat Mar 29, 2008 1:26 am

really awesome there spencerTron, sorry if you thought I was claiming it wasn't live, what you do is, but I think its possible to take dubstep one step further.

I have reaktor, its just not installed... keep meaning to, but I know it'll be the case of me installing another bit of software, getting obsessed learning to use it rather than making something.

I'll have to install it soon

misk · Post by **misk** » Sat Mar 29, 2008 1:50 am

suitcasepimp wrote:really awesome there spencerTron, sorry if you thought I was claiming it wasn't live, what you do is, but I think its possible to take dubstep one step further.

I have reaktor, its just not installed... keep meaning to, but I know it'll be the case of me installing another bit of software, getting obsessed learning to use it rather than making something.

I'll have to install it soon

you're right, it is possible to play dubstep live with real instruments. it would take on a whole different sound though, and you would have to take breaks between songs, and you would be a band.

i'd love to hear some of it when you do it though. its all give and take really.

spencertron · Post by **spencertron** » Sat Mar 29, 2008 2:15 am

suitcasepimp wrote:really awesome there spencerTron, sorry if you thought I was claiming it wasn't live.

cheers...and na i didn't think that...to be honest i don't really know what counts' as 'live' anymore...or 'real instruments. And i'm not sure if performance is pointlessly just a novelty, giving something visual, i'd rather have lazers do that!!...i say this and i'm in a band myself...should there be a different term used for those manipulating audio via ableton/reaktor/software in general, and those who are using cd's and records to mix...either way it's all interacting with sound...blah blah blah...i'm gonna stop typing now.

chunkie · Post by **chunkie** » Sat Mar 29, 2008 8:32 am

Spencer - quality improv mate!

i like the balance between structure and improvised evolution -

i'm in r5 and doing live stuff - i tend to get lost in my own improv and so i've started sequencing snapshot changes on some stuff - eg a background synth, some bleeps&clicks, or even my main bassline - then everything else get messed about with on the fly

this tends to me make me maintain a focus on the listener and remember that 15minutes of me messing about with glitch pops etc is not necessarily riveting for anyone but me

where are you doing this beat-mashery live, in Leceister? might be worth a trip up one night to see it

spencertron · Post by **spencertron** » Sat Mar 29, 2008 11:54 am

Chunkie wrote:Spencer - quality improv mate!

i like the balance between structure and improvised evolution -

i'm in r5 and doing live stuff - i tend to get lost in my own improv and so i've started sequencing snapshot changes on some stuff - eg a background synth, some bleeps&clicks, or even my main bassline - then everything else get messed about with on the fly

this tends to me make me maintain a focus on the listener and remember that 15minutes of me messing about with glitch pops etc is not necessarily riveting for anyone but me

where are you doing this beat-mashery live, in Leceister? might be worth a trip up one night to see it

ah cheers but i still need to create a load more sounds and obviously rehearse. afraid my next gig is nothing remotely dubstep/or anything like what i've previously done...it's just me on electronics and a friend (who's a scratch tutor) on decks...making noise, impov sound designing, live sampling...for charity

. i'll keep you posted on any live/impov dubstep provided i'm confident enough with it.

suitcasepimp · Post by **suitcasepimp** » Sat Mar 29, 2008 1:02 pm

spencerTron wrote:
suitcasepimp wrote:really awesome there spencerTron, sorry if you thought I was claiming it wasn't live.
cheers...and na i didn't think that...to be honest i don't really know what counts' as 'live' anymore...or 'real instruments. And i'm not sure if performance is pointlessly just a novelty, giving something visual, i'd rather have lazers do that!!...i say this and i'm in a band myself...should there be a different term used for those manipulating audio via ableton/reaktor/software in general, and those who are using cd's and records to mix...either way it's all interacting with sound...blah blah blah...i'm gonna stop typing now.

I know what you mean about the LIVE argument, I'm finishing my BA in Sound Art & Design, going into my final year, and one of the on going discussions is "is computer music boring live?" But you show one a perfect example of how its moved on since the days of merely just sitting there behind your laptop bringing a fader up and pressing play.

I used the following examples of youtube to express my opinion against the above statement:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjZwlCbUU8M
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOez0-4bdmA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0h-RhyopUmc

spencertron · Post by **spencertron** » Sat Mar 29, 2008 1:33 pm

suitcasepimp wrote:
spencerTron wrote:
suitcasepimp wrote:really awesome there spencerTron, sorry if you thought I was claiming it wasn't live.
cheers...and na i didn't think that...to be honest i don't really know what counts' as 'live' anymore...or 'real instruments. And i'm not sure if performance is pointlessly just a novelty, giving something visual, i'd rather have lazers do that!!...i say this and i'm in a band myself...should there be a different term used for those manipulating audio via ableton/reaktor/software in general, and those who are using cd's and records to mix...either way it's all interacting with sound...blah blah blah...i'm gonna stop typing now.
I know what you mean about the LIVE argument, I'm finishing my BA in Sound Art & Design, going into my final year, and one of the on going discussions is "is computer music boring live?" But you show one a perfect example of how its moved on since the days of merely just sitting there behind your laptop bringing a fader up and pressing play.

I used the following examples of youtube to express my opinion against the above statement:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjZwlCbUU8M
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOez0-4bdmA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0h-RhyopUmc

The second video in your list, the chap is playing a demo patch created by Tim Exile for Native instruments interview, it was a scaled down version of what exile has programmed...i've got that patch...rather than use that video...use the creator of that instrument video below by Tim Exile...video on this page... http://www.native-instruments.com/index ... imexile_us

he goes into alot of depth as to how it works etc...hope it helps. look him up...you'll probably find alot of this sort of thing is based on his works amongst others

for example mat moldover http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPYvQz3_R9Y

here's a clip of it i just did with the stock audio...
keymash exile.mp3 - 0.86MB

thinking · Post by **thinking** » Sat Mar 29, 2008 1:51 pm

Misk wrote:
ThinKing wrote:you need to see Elemental playing live - he is a wizard on Ableton and a sick sick producer to boot.

he uses loops from his own productions and recombines them incl FX and so on.
being on the other side of the pond, is there anywhere online i can check out his sets? any videos, etc?

http://www.barefiles.com./download.php?id=1967

misk · Post by **misk** » Sat Mar 29, 2008 6:25 pm

ThinKing wrote:
Misk wrote:
ThinKing wrote:you need to see Elemental playing live - he is a wizard on Ableton and a sick sick producer to boot.

he uses loops from his own productions and recombines them incl FX and so on.
being on the other side of the pond, is there anywhere online i can check out his sets? any videos, etc?
http://www.barefiles.com./download.php?id=1967

very very nice! thanks.

z.u.bee · Post by **z.u.bee** » Sat Mar 29, 2008 8:55 pm

ThinKing wrote:
Misk wrote:
ThinKing wrote:you need to see Elemental playing live - he is a wizard on Ableton and a sick sick producer to boot.

he uses loops from his own productions and recombines them incl FX and so on.
being on the other side of the pond, is there anywhere online i can check out his sets? any videos, etc?
http://www.barefiles.com./download.php?id=1967

effing wicked live set!!! cheers mate!!

spencertron · Post by **spencertron** » Sun Mar 30, 2008 4:59 pm

EDIT: Yuss! i think this is sick! if i do say so myself.

I've been developing (for live dubstep), the patch which i've been using and i think i'm at point to start playing live with it (with this genre...as opposed to breakcore/DnB etc)

below is a 9 minute improvised jam from from me...

purephase_improvised_dubstep.mp3 - 12.34MB

i will just add...this is not about writing songs, it's about live performance, live input, manipulating and creating sound in realtime and live electronic music etc...and this is myself with dubstep (granted, i've seen vids of people doing live dubstep but in a different ways to myself i think)

misk · Post by **misk** » Sun Mar 30, 2008 5:20 pm

spencerTron wrote:EDIT: Yuss! i think this is sick! if i do say so myself.

I've been developing (for live dubstep), the patch which i've been using and i think i'm at point to start playing live with it (with this genre...as opposed to breakcore/DnB etc)

below is a 9 minute improvised jam from from me...

purephase_improvised_dubstep.mp3 - 12.34MB

i will just add...this is not about writing songs, it's about live performance, live input, manipulating and creating sound in realtime and live electronic music etc...and this is myself with dubstep (granted, i've seen vids of people doing live dubstep but in a different ways to myself i think)

i like it! Feels like you move between the necessary structure of a song, and the riskier live-style improvisation that makes a live set feel live.

the trick is to keep it up for an hour or two

i'll have to get my stuff up here, i've been sick though, so i haven't been working on stuff much lately.

spencertron · Post by **spencertron** » Sun Mar 30, 2008 7:50 pm

Misk wrote:
spencerTron wrote:EDIT: Yuss! i think this is sick! if i do say so myself.

I've been developing (for live dubstep), the patch which i've been using and i think i'm at point to start playing live with it (with this genre...as opposed to breakcore/DnB etc)

below is a 9 minute improvised jam from from me...

purephase_improvised_dubstep.mp3 - 12.34MB

i will just add...this is not about writing songs, it's about live performance, live input, manipulating and creating sound in realtime and live electronic music etc...and this is myself with dubstep (granted, i've seen vids of people doing live dubstep but in a different ways to myself i think)
i like it! Feels like you move between the necessary structure of a song, and the riskier live-style improvisation that makes a live set feel live.

the trick is to keep it up for an hour or two

i'll have to get my stuff up here, i've been sick though, so i haven't been working on stuff much lately.

i'd like to hear it,

as for keeping a set going for an hour or however long...that side of things wouldn't be a problem really, just gotta keep it interesting. no 2 sets would be the same though...there's always gonna be the odd mis-hap etc but thats the nature of live music i guess.

thinking · Post by **thinking** » Sun Mar 30, 2008 7:53 pm

check also Eleven Tigers, not sure what his setup is but it's "live" apparently:

www.dubstepforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=34530

www.myspace.com/eleventigers

lilt · Post by **lilt** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 9:17 am

just saw this in the dubs section:
http://dubstepforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=43611

misk · Post by **misk** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 3:16 pm

sounds pretty cool. looks like their live act involves 2 laptops. As for what they're running on 'em, i can only guess.

really, at the end of the day, it doesnt matter what you use, it's the music that matters (but do i even have to say that?

). I suppose thats the challenge: rocking a house like a big DJ, but with original material, manipulated live.

btw, heres a (really) old set i did. my style has evolved a bit more these days but this should give you a taste.

http://dubstepforum.com/viewtopic.php?t ... k&start=15

argonaut · Post by **argonaut** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 10:29 pm

spencerTron wrote: ...to be honest i don't really know what counts' as 'live' anymore...

imo, if you can react to the crowd as well as them reacting to you, then it's live
if you're just "pressing play" then there's not a 2-way thing going on, so it's just loads of people in the one place listening to your stuff;

sens inverse lab · Post by **sens inverse lab** » Tue Apr 01, 2008 12:12 pm

yé
we're from france ...
we play live act .
we're two on computer with ableton, and one girl with violon .
we play live act since 5 or 6 years in free raves, and we play dubstep since 3 years ...
u can listen our traks on
http://www.myspace.com/caterva

...
now we beginn to play in concert, so i ll take percussion in live and more traditionnal stuff ...

fred caterva

and i play solo live act too
http://www.myspace.com/manndibull

...

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