SKINNY PUPPY

[shonky]

Good to see some industrial heads into the dubstep sound. I think part of the reason I like dubstep so much is that it seems to incorporate a lot of the same ideas that was driving real industrial music(i.e. experimenting with new frontiers and not holding back).

Like some of that industrial stuff, but dubsteps a broader church than just the above. Might not have heard the right industrial, but it did seem to be brutality for the sake of it, regardless of the sonic innovation.

Speaking of Kevin Martin, anyone heard "Caucasian Deathmask" by Techno Animal and Alec Empire? Now that's a tune

[tusk]

I would hazard to say that industrial is just as broad (if not moreso) than dubstep simply due to the age of the genre. Industrial could refer to The Bug, Puppy, Throbbing Gristle, old NIN even some Depeche Mode or certain Biosphere tracks. Industrial to me is the sonic palette (metallic or distorted percussion, cold moody synths) and a dark atmosphere. Granted, this is my own definition which strays considerably from the orogional concept of "industrial music" created by Throbbing Gristle, but it works for me and others usually seem to get what Im on about. Dubstep reminds me of Industrial in that it seems like hybridization and innovation are cornerstones of the sound. And a lot of it is really dark and hard too.

[joseph-j]

Dubstep reminds me of Industrial in that it seems like hybridization and innovation are cornerstones of the sound. And a lot of it is really dark and hard too.

I started listening to Scorn again after getting into dubstep, so I know where you're coming from.

Napalm Death posse!!

Speaking of Kevin Martin, anyone heard "Caucasian Deathmask" by Techno Animal and Alec Empire? Now that's a tune

Funny that, was listening to that yesterday thinking how weird it was that only last month I was jumping around at Bash to his rudeness, but 7-odd years ago he was making that racket.

And it is a racket. One of my favourite noise albums though, even if he does lay it on a bit thick with the freeform sax. <shudder>

[shonky]

Mind you freeform sax is the organic industrial

[eventualdecline]

Like some of that industrial stuff, but dubsteps a broader church than just the above. Might not have heard the right industrial, but it did seem to be brutality for the sake of it, regardless of the sonic innovation.

I think industrial music has suffered from mass stereotyping. People hear Ministry or NIN and attribute those groups as the archtype of industrial music. However industrial music is broader than that, in fact so broad as to be infinate. At it's heart industrial music is essentially anything experimental. Hence you'll find true industrial groups using any possible instrument recorded in any possible way. I think the harsh aspect comes from some artists sacrificing music taste for artistic or experimental merit.

The reason why Coil is my favorite industrial group is because I think they really hit the nail on the head. Their albums are extremely diverse.

To me dubstep is the narrow genre... the tracks have to be mixable, fall roughly in a certain tempo range, contain low frequency presence, and be commercially reliant upon people with turntables.

[shonky]

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I think that's a fair point to be honest (and I say this as someone that actually likes Ministry). Forgive my ignorance, I seem to have a lot of records, but industrial seems to have passed me by. Have to remember that it's not just metal with drum machines.

Oddly enough, I remember reading various articles with Genesis P Orridge and thought him a very interesting thinker and character, but have heard nothing by Throbbing Gristle in my life. Think I may have been put off by a friend who just seemed to be into loads of experimental music on a more elitist angle as he never seemed to show any joy towards it (had a phase of this myself). Strange really as I had another group of mates who found nothing funnier than dropping acid and listening to Foetus, Lydia Lunch and Coil (interspersed with bad 70's rock and Madonna for some probably acidy reasoning).

[djgyn]

Coming from the industrial scene, I was drawn to the darker sounds of dubstep... and stayed for the rest of it! But yeah, if it weren't for Vex'd, I'd never have given the genre a decent shot.