Triplets

tuck · Post by **tuck** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 10:40 pm

Have you heard "Infiltrate" by After Dark (3.5 records)? Brilliant use of triplets in the b-line. Does anyone have any tips for programming triplets? You can fudge it with a sequencer in 4/4 time but what I'd really love is a sequencer (software or hardware) that can handle 6/8 time.

Thoughts and/or suggestions?

auan · Post by **auan** » Sat Mar 29, 2008 3:36 am

I can't think of any software that doesn't do 6/8 or whatever time sig you want.

thedeadmethod · Post by **thedeadmethod** » Sat Mar 29, 2008 7:03 am

Auan wrote:I can't think of any software that doesn't do 6/8 or whatever time sig you want.

right?

i wish reason were just a liiiitttle bit more flexible though. i needed something like 21/8 the other day. i ended up just doing alternating 5/4 11/8 though, and it worked out alright.

pah_jÃ© · Post by **pah_jÃ©** » Thu Apr 10, 2008 1:08 am

lols. you all have it wrong, triplets are not about sequencing with changes in the denomination of the time signature. a triplet is a quantization of a note. to my knowledge, every dubstep track is in 4/4. to sequence in triplets, adjust the quantization to say, 1/16T or 1/8T and draw in your bass notes. in reason, it's in the right click menu when you're hovering over empty space around the notes within the sequencer window.

lonecurrent · Post by **lonecurrent** » Thu Apr 10, 2008 3:03 pm

^

yeah set quantize to 4T or w/e. the t means triplet.

primate · Post by **primate** » Thu Apr 10, 2008 3:33 pm

or don't quantize at all. slow it down and record them in by hand

uproot · Post by **uproot** » Fri Apr 11, 2008 12:16 am

Btw... Triplets are 3/4... 6/8 would indicate double speed.

slothrop · Post by **slothrop** » Fri Apr 11, 2008 1:06 am

uproot wrote:Btw... Triplets are 3/4... 6/8 would indicate double speed.

Erm, no they aren't. As Pah Je pointed out, the time signature has nothing (directly) to do with triplets. A triplet is three notes played in the space where two would usually go ie
ONE and two and three and and four and .
You can put a triplet into any time signature.

12/8 is kind of relevant because 12/8 is essentially 4/4 with every pair of quavers replaced by a triplet. Technically even that isn't a triplet because from a 12/8 point of view it's notes taking the normal value, it's only if you think of your 12/8 music as being in 4/4 that it seems like triplets.

3/4 is waltz time, ONE and two and three and ONE and two and three and, 6/8 is a double jig or various other things, ONE and and two and and ONE and and two and and. They've got the same number of quavers but the emphasis is different (three beats rather than two), they're not just half / double speed of the same thing.

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abstractsound · Post by **abstractsound** » Fri Apr 11, 2008 2:15 am

yeah i wouldnt be too worried about your time sigs.. and its better to play without quantization

RIP JAY DEE

tempest · Post by **tempest** » Fri Apr 11, 2008 4:31 am

Slothrop wrote:
uproot wrote:Btw... Triplets are 3/4... 6/8 would indicate double speed.
Erm, no they aren't. As Pah Je pointed out, the time signature has nothing (directly) to do with triplets. A triplet is three notes played in the space where two would usually go ie
ONE and two and three and and four and .
You can put a triplet into any time signature.

12/8 is kind of relevant because 12/8 is essentially 4/4 with every pair of quavers replaced by a triplet. Technically even that isn't a triplet because from a 12/8 point of view it's notes taking the normal value, it's only if you think of your 12/8 music as being in 4/4 that it seems like triplets.

3/4 is waltz time, ONE and two and three and ONE and two and three and, 6/8 is a double jig or various other things, ONE and and two and and ONE and and two and and. They've got the same number of quavers but the emphasis is different (three beats rather than two), they're not just half / double speed of the same thing.

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Hey that was actually a fucking great description of some abstract time sigs....

The most far out i go is playing 'Money' on bass (5/4)... been jamming with a mate whos a drummer and he's always trying to switch up time sigs but half the time i'm left confused... Well done tho

tuck · Post by **tuck** » Fri Apr 11, 2008 2:05 pm

Pah je - Thanks for the tip about quantization. I've just installed Reason 4 so I'll play around and see what effects I can come up with.

Slothrop - Good explanation of what triplets are.

Does anyone remember Suv's "Free Beat" EP on Full Cycle records? It was a (slightly bizarre) attempt at D'n'B in 3/4 time. Odd but interesting. Not surprisingly it never really caught on.

uproot · Post by **uproot** » Sat Apr 12, 2008 2:03 pm

Slothrop wrote:
uproot wrote:Btw... Triplets are 3/4... 6/8 would indicate double speed.
Erm, no they aren't. As Pah Je pointed out, the time signature has nothing (directly) to do with triplets. A triplet is three notes played in the space where two would usually go ie
ONE and two and three and and four and .
You can put a triplet into any time signature.

12/8 is kind of relevant because 12/8 is essentially 4/4 with every pair of quavers replaced by a triplet. Technically even that isn't a triplet because from a 12/8 point of view it's notes taking the normal value, it's only if you think of your 12/8 music as being in 4/4 that it seems like triplets.

3/4 is waltz time, ONE and two and three and ONE and two and three and, 6/8 is a double jig or various other things, ONE and and two and and ONE and and two and and. They've got the same number of quavers but the emphasis is different (three beats rather than two), they're not just half / double speed of the same thing.

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Yeh your right

slothrop · Post by **slothrop** » Sat Apr 12, 2008 4:25 pm

Tbh it's all terminology really - if you're getting the noises you want to hear, it doesn't matter what you call it. Music theory is almost all descriptive rather than prescriptive.

FWIW, there are some great little triplet rolls in the hihats on Incunabula by Autechre.

cursedc · Post by **cursedc** » Sun Apr 13, 2008 6:22 am

Yeah I loved that little album by Ae.

Some delay FX let you do triplet effects as well, some thing to look into......

uproot · Post by **uproot** » Sun Apr 13, 2008 2:16 pm

Good things to check out for classic dub effects, and that are free are on this page

http://www.interruptor.ch/vst_overview.shtml

All classic dub effects that are free...

I'm sure hundreds of you probably have them though.

strangus · Post by **strangus** » Tue Apr 15, 2008 12:46 am

Ableton has a triplet grid that you can access with CTRL+3.

chimp_and_zee · Post by **chimp_and_zee** » Fri Apr 18, 2008 4:30 pm

Dubstep needs more quintuplets and septuplets

r · Post by r » Fri Apr 18, 2008 6:04 pm

make some dubstep in a 10/8 grid.. it feels naturel even it isnt

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