Dubtechno or technodub ?

james fox · Post by **james fox** » Wed May 14, 2008 1:37 pm

nakedlunch wrote:
Ory wrote: Most everything else is a poor version of what Moritz and Mark were doing in the early-mid 90s. Except maybe Convextion...
I have to disagree with this statment .I buy tones of dubtechno on vinyl .. Just pick up anything by andy stott , ub313 , cv313 , deepchord , quantec , mike huckaby , carlo intelecto , mlz , labels like echospace , echochord , modern love , styrax leaves , cache and you can hear the same sound executed with perfection

for anyone interested here is a 1hr mix I done of new(ish) dubtechno

http://www.zshare.net/audio/10757388d1772083/

Andy Stott - Handle With Care - Modern Love
Claro Intelecto - Rise - Modern Love
Pacou - All It Takes (Mike Huckaby SYNTH Remix) - Cache Records
Simian Mobile Disco - Hustler (Shackleton Remix) - Wichita
Ricardo Villalobos - Fizheuer Zieheuer Pt. 2 - playhouse
Andy Stott - See In Me - Modern Love
Brendon Moeller - Dreadmill - EchoCord
Sebbo - Watamu Beach (Moritz von Oswald Rework) - Desolat
Quantec - Lush - EchoCord
Mike Huckaby & Pacou - Sessions - Cache Records
Rhythm & Sound - Outward - Rhythm & Sound

on this, big up

grievous_angel · Post by **grievous_angel** » Wed May 14, 2008 3:01 pm

juliun_c90 wrote:they were great... they brought a real soundsystem attitude to the dance and hyped the crowd with a bit of toasting and stuff. really wicked and largely unheard of approach in techno at that time.

Yeah, all of that.

See also, from a bit before, Renegade Soundwave and Tackhead.

datura · Post by **datura** » Wed May 14, 2008 3:07 pm

I've picked up a few Sven Weiseman bits recently, this is particular is ace:

http://www.boomkat.com/item.cfm?id=94016

think Ramadanman played a few bits on the last Ruffage sessions

[b]racket · Post by **[b]racket** » Wed May 14, 2008 5:50 pm

juliun_c90 wrote: they were great. they used to play megadog back in the day before 'megadog' became a biword for 'stinking crusty psy-toss'. also caught them do a storming daytime set at a tribal gathering (the year kraftwerk played i think). they brought a real soundsystem attitude to the dance and hyped the crowd with a bit of toasting and stuff. really wicked and largely unheard of approach in techno at that time.

I used to love megadog, I went to loads, didnt give a fuck about the crusty tag as no one was putting on line ups like them and no one has till this very day.

Where else could you see Plastikman (saw the live set at tribal n'all - Hawtin at his best imo), Aphex, Orbital, Autechre, along side loads of jungle and other stuff... admitedly there was some shite (was never a fan of Ozrics or the trance stuff) but when they pulled out the electronic line ups they were second to none.

MC Teabag was a right prik though

Loved their 2 day rave in brixton academy, the beach rave and the eclipse festival too....

God i feel old thinking about all that - its a real shame that there is minimal diversity at nights nowadays..

utopian · Post by **utopian** » Wed May 14, 2008 6:45 pm

Check out the Scion mixes here: http://sound.modelfruit.com/

djshiva · Post by **djshiva** » Wed May 14, 2008 7:12 pm

Utopian wrote:Check out the Scion mixes here: http://sound.modelfruit.com/

if i remember correctly there are also some dope convextion mixes (one of which i am listening to right now) at this site, as well as just a shit ton of great mixes all around.

and a big +1 for andy stott. that guy is just killin it.

OoGuN · Post by **OoGuN** » Wed May 14, 2008 10:11 pm

*Bandulu*!!!!

Megadog!!!!

Those were the days, indeed...

oh and cheers Naked Lunch for that dubtechnodub mix, will check it out

Anybody wanna hear Mad Mike doing dubtechnodub?

sand leaper · Post by **sand leaper** » Wed May 14, 2008 10:27 pm

nakedlunch wrote:I have to disagree with this statment .I buy tones of dubtechno on vinyl .. Just pick up anything by andy stott , ub313 , cv313 , deepchord , quantec , mike huckaby , carlo intelecto , mlz , labels like echospace , echochord , modern love , styrax leaves , cache and you can hear the same sound executed with perfection

...which was exactly the point. It's the SAME SOUND. I find the Echospace and Substance/Vainqueur-stuff to be very pleasant and atmospheric listening, but innovative it ain't.

Dub techno post-Basic Channel/Chain Reaction always ends up sounding like a copy of these labels to a certain degree. Even Headhunter's new stuff can't seem to free itself from it completely, as much as I like some of it.

There's a reason BC themselves dropped dub techno completely and started doing actual dub instead. Time to stop dwelling on the massively reverbed pads/background hiss-combo and go back to the drawing board.

OoGuN · Post by **OoGuN** » Wed May 14, 2008 10:58 pm

Hmmm.....

got to say, having listened to that mix, it takes me back....

and I'm not sure if that's a good thing for me....

Not dissing the mix, it's well executed and it's nice for me to be able to hear what everyone was talking about.. so cheers for putting it up..

ory · Post by **ory** » Wed May 14, 2008 11:09 pm

nakedlunch wrote:andy stott , ub313 , cv313 , deepchord , quantec , mike huckaby , carlo intelecto , mlz , labels like echospace , echochord , modern love , styrax leaves , cache

Believe me I've heard a great deal of what these people have to offer, but it just doesn't cut it.

Convextion on the other hand is great because it fuses BC dub techno with an ambient, kinda summer night vibe.

[b]racket · Post by **[b]racket** » Thu May 15, 2008 12:45 am

Ory wrote:
Convextion on the other hand is great because it fuses BC dub techno with an ambient, kinda summer night vibe.

Convextion is decent

tranquera · Post by **tranquera** » Thu May 15, 2008 1:05 am

Nice topic!

epithet · Post by **epithet** » Thu May 15, 2008 1:15 am

Grievous Angel wrote: See also, from a bit before, Renegade Soundwave and Tackhead.

Now we are tripping down memory lane huh ?

nakedlunch · Post by **nakedlunch** » Thu May 15, 2008 6:26 am

Sand Leaper wrote: innovative it ain't.

Show me any genre of music that is still innovative after nearly 20 years

I never buy if for innovation , I just buy it because its good to hear techno with warm analogue sounds and proper subbass and I love the sound of the waldorf wave.

Sand Leaper wrote: There's a reason BC themselves dropped dub techno completely

They split up and both artists are still making "dubtechno" under their solo names
http://www.discogs.com/release/1277283 http://www.discogs.com/release/734339

Ory wrote:Believe me I've heard a great deal of what these people have to offer, but it just doesn't cut it.

Then its just a matter of opinion , on the other hand if you see the amount of hype and frenzy buying that follows any deep chord or echospace related release its hard to stand by a comment like that

Ory wrote:
Convextion on the other hand is great because it fuses BC dub techno with an ambient, kinda summer night vibe.

You could add
Convextion to my list also , he appears regularly on echospace related releases and has done some amazing remixes for echospace . But I do agree he has a unique approach to what he does and sits well between the Berlin and Detroit sounds. Its just a shame he does not make more music

nakedlunch · Post by **nakedlunch** » Thu May 15, 2008 6:39 am

Just arrived in the mail as we speak

http://www.boomkat.com/item.cfm?id=82930

http://www.boomkat.com/item.cfm?id=93124

primate · Post by **primate** » Thu May 15, 2008 7:15 am

all good. love everything mentioned above. but not sure about what to call the dubstep/techno crossover that's gradually filling my shelves at the moment.

dubtechno is established as something else, like the modern love or BC releases. the latest tectonic, skull disco, applepips releases are more like a deep dubstep or technostep or some dumb phrase. it's getting increasingly difficult for me to explain to people exactly what I mean when i say i listen to dubstep. I really only like this crossover sound but people always think i mean rusko etc. nothing wrong with the brockout sound, but that's not what I like.

it's like saying you listen to hiphop when you mean flying lotus or dabrye not biggie and tupac.

there's loads of discussions on here about exactly what I'm saying. I reckon there's a new term on the horizon, just wish I was comfortable with labelling the music I love all the time.....

sorry about the speech, I'm in a reflective mood today. must be the echospace compilation I'm listening to right now

DEEPstep

epithet · Post by **epithet** » Thu May 15, 2008 7:46 am

Yeah i know what you mean. There is a reluctance to subgenrify dubstep even to the inclusion of breakstep but hiphop manages quite well with its offshoots cos you can qualify it with terms like crunk, hyphy, g funk, dirty south and people still know what you're on about. Stuff like funkstorung and sixtoo are a bit harder to classify though.

I didn't realise dubtechno was so established and so *old *

BTW who have you got on your dubstep/techno crossover shelf ?

nakedlunch · Post by **nakedlunch** » Thu May 15, 2008 8:05 am

epithet wrote:
BTW who have you got on your dubstep/techno crossover shelf ?

Shackleton
2562
Pangaea
peverlist
martyn

a man called dave · Post by **a man called dave** » Thu May 15, 2008 8:44 am

Ain't Tech-Step a better name or is that in use for something else?

joe muggs · Post by **joe muggs** » Thu May 15, 2008 8:46 am

A Man Called Dave wrote:Ain't Tech-Step a better name or is that in use for something else?

Dubtechno or technodub ?

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