Bassline speculation

psyolopher · Post by **psyolopher** » Fri Jun 13, 2008 7:51 am

Now there are many ways to make a good bassline to dubstep!
BUT, do you always add sub-bass(in that case...LINK MEH)
I use mostly NI massive to make that wobble sound, i can copy the sound and the note pattern and have one sounds on high and treble, and then the other on the lower ones.....(and kill the high and the treble) Still doesnt really get deep enough!
Does every sub sound need to be done in this harmonic way?

You always do it in the same way?

miss_molinari · Post by **miss_molinari** » Fri Jun 13, 2008 9:45 am

have you tried it out yet?

hugh · Post by **hugh** » Fri Jun 13, 2008 9:55 am

i just do whatever sounds good.
the main point of the sub is to fill out the sound of the track without dominating it.

psyolopher · Post by **psyolopher** » Fri Jun 13, 2008 10:01 am

Yeah, thats what im headin for.....Just, since im new to this style!
Im not sure it would satisfy any Dubstep listeners! =(

Disco Nutter · Post by **Disco Nutter** » Fri Jun 13, 2008 10:37 am

Satisfy yourself first.

hugh · Post by **hugh** » Fri Jun 13, 2008 12:01 pm

one trick i can give u to fill out the sub is to have one waveform at an octave higher but at a lower volume, this is one way to balance out the levels that would otherwise be very noticeably differing in volume when you are scaling notes.

ali jamieson · Post by **ali jamieson** » Mon Jun 16, 2008 11:19 am

Psyolopher wrote:Now there are many ways to make a good bassline to dubstep!
BUT, do you always add sub-bass(in that case...LINK MEH)
I use mostly NI massive to make that wobble sound, i can copy the sound and the note pattern and have one sounds on high and treble, and then the other on the lower ones.....(and kill the high and the treble) Still doesnt really get deep enough!
Does every sub sound need to be done in this harmonic way?

You always do it in the same way?

i do but i'm not sure what i'm doing is good

i program in Reaktor/Logic basic synths etc then hi-pass at 100hz ish and double with a basic sine playing same notes [lo-passed at 100hz ish]

then bus together so the 2 sounds can be EQd and compressed together

sounds alrite

miss_molinari · Post by **miss_molinari** » Mon Jun 16, 2008 5:52 pm

sounds fair enough. the main reason in my experience for splitting the high and low frequencies of the bass is so that te sub can be put out clean and in mono, and so that the middle/high frequencies can be molested with effects in whateverway you please. adding effects to your low frequencies like chorus, flanger, or anything that messes with the phase/ofset of the sound is a bad idea, muddies the mix see.

peace.

ali jamieson · Post by **ali jamieson** » Mon Jun 16, 2008 6:06 pm

miss_molinari wrote:...adding effects to your low frequencies like chorus, flanger, or anything that messes with the phase/ofset of the sound is a bad idea...

but does make pretty patterns on yer vinyl

psyolopher · Post by **psyolopher** » Mon Jun 16, 2008 6:15 pm

I dont know in Dubstep, but when im making Psytrance(dont be a player hater lol) I put my kick onto two extra channels...one for Left and one for Right!
And the same with the bassline!

You do the same in dubstep? (thinking of the bass)

miss_molinari · Post by **miss_molinari** » Mon Jun 16, 2008 11:15 pm

Psyolopher wrote:I dont know in Dubstep, but when im making Psytrance(dont be a player hater lol) I put my kick onto two extra channels...one for Left and one for Right!
And the same with the bassline!

You do the same in dubstep? (thinking of the bass)

you do? who do? have you tried it...? did it sound nice?

seriously...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBGIQ7ZuuiU

junglist · Post by **junglist** » Tue Jun 17, 2008 12:59 am

Psyolopher wrote:I dont know in Dubstep, but when im making Psytrance(dont be a player hater lol) I put my kick onto two extra channels...one for Left and one for Right!
And the same with the bassline!

You do the same in dubstep? (thinking of the bass)

Sounds interesting but I was under the impression that anything under 500 Htz should be mono.

Therefore you would need three layers. One for the Kick .... Htz - 500 Htz, and layer two and three (550Htz - ... Htz) on the left and right channels.

ali jamieson · Post by **ali jamieson** » Tue Jun 17, 2008 4:12 pm

um... well if you're monitoring with decent monitors set up properly then you'll be able to hear how shite stereo bass sounds. it takes up nuff space in mono haha

but that's not a rule, there are none [so far as i'm aware] i think the point is, do it and see wassup. dubstep is [evidently] more bass driven than psytrance, so more attention needs to be paid. i'd worry more about getting your kick and sub to sit nicely.

separating bass sounds is def way fwd>> but how many producers don't and still get sick low-end tracks? probably loads, it's all down to EQ and compression [and sidechaining compression!!]

somejerk · Post by **somejerk** » Tue Jun 17, 2008 4:51 pm

there's a million ways to make a bassline. find your own.

i usually start with "normal", undistorted bass, whether it be from my Microkorg, Operator or an 808 kick. manipulate that a bit. then send that signal to another channel, distort it, cut the low/mid frequencies and then freak it from there.

ali jamieson · Post by **ali jamieson** » Tue Jun 17, 2008 4:57 pm

somejerk wrote:...then send that signal to another channel....

yer this is also good

channels with dists reverbs and modulation means u still got fundamental THUD of bass but can have lotsa cool stuff going on auxiliary to the bline without messing it up

psyolopher · Post by **psyolopher** » Tue Jun 17, 2008 9:58 pm

Junglist wrote:
Psyolopher wrote:I dont know in Dubstep, but when im making Psytrance(dont be a player hater lol) I put my kick onto two extra channels...one for Left and one for Right!
And the same with the bassline!

You do the same in dubstep? (thinking of the bass)
Sounds interesting but I was under the impression that anything under 500 Htz should be mono.

Therefore you would need three layers. One for the Kick .... Htz - 500 Htz, and layer two and three (550Htz - ... Htz) on the left and right channels.

Really? I know some producers (in psytrance) who dont....But maybe i should ya know! But atleast the kick in psytrance is often treble or high's....so, i send to two channels!

miss_molinari · Post by **miss_molinari** » Tue Jun 17, 2008 11:10 pm

Junglist wrote: Sounds interesting but I was under the impression that anything under 500 Htz should be mono.

first off, each to their own is something i have playing on repeat while i sleep....

secondly, 500hz for me is thoroughly into the mid-lands. 200hz for my ears/language represents the end roughly speaking, of the bass frequencies. below 60-70hz being 'sub' frequencies...

i would strongly advise against making sub-500hz mono...try much lower, then try 500 and see...

ali jamieson wrote:um... well if you're monitoring with decent monitors set up properly then you'll be able to hear how shite stereo bass sounds. it takes up nuff space in mono haha

but that's not a rule, there are none [so far as i'm aware] i think the point is, do it and see wassup. dubstep is [evidently] more bass driven than psytrance, so more attention needs to be paid. i'd worry more about getting your kick and sub to sit nicely.

separating bass sounds is def way fwd>> but how many producers don't and still get sick low-end tracks? probably loads, it's all down to EQ and compression [and sidechaining compression!!]

i like you already

ps: maybe this thread will be useful to some people in here:

Kick & Bass Frequencies...?

http://www.dubstepforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=47644

decklyn · Post by **decklyn** » Tue Jun 24, 2008 2:08 am

there was a post about sines generated from sample generators that don't look to run efficient. cooledit i believe was what was used. the sines are very pure and really rattle the subs. not found anything else that does it like these samples.

nekkroteukh · Post by **nekkroteukh** » Tue Jun 24, 2008 7:46 am

Yeah, I use CoolEdit sine samples too, I wish I'd remember where I got them... Sorry.

jade_monkey · Post by **jade_monkey** » Wed Jun 25, 2008 12:05 am

Yeah, 500hz is a little bit too much. The direction of sounds below 100hz can't be recognized by the human ear, so everything below that should be mono, as subwoofers mostly set in around 80hz in clubs, too.

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