bedroom producers (software)

jimmeah · Post by **jimmeah** » Fri Jun 30, 2006 5:57 pm

Buzz tracker / Cubase

2000f · Post by **2000f** » Fri Jun 30, 2006 6:10 pm

Mainly Reason, using Pro Tools for audio edits. Sometimes using Live too. Mixing in Reason and Pro Tools with analogue outboard.

prismatic7 · Post by **prismatic7** » Sun Jul 02, 2006 11:39 am

Jimmeah wrote:Buzz tracker / Cubase

YEEAH! Reppin' for the Jeskola massive! All my stuff's in Buzz too... and shedloads of VST's...

ramadanman · Post by **ramadanman** » Sun Jul 02, 2006 6:25 pm

fruity 4, bit of soundforge

sybian · Post by **sybian** » Sun Jul 02, 2006 7:38 pm

FL 5....AdobeAudition..Z3ta+,bluetube bundle,Legacy,samples and samples....and DCSUBbass.

djshiva · Post by **djshiva** » Mon Jul 03, 2006 4:49 am

live 5.2, reason 3.0, soundforge, various vsts

as far as vstis go, i am patricularly fond of albino 2, imposcar and arp oddity

fubar · Post by **fubar** » Mon Jul 03, 2006 7:53 am

I use reason and wavelab or reason and cubase depending on how persistant/patient I feel, cubase is mainly used for syncing/cutting up audio tho.

crazydave · Post by **crazydave** » Thu Jul 06, 2006 4:21 pm

I've just installed Reason last week...

and I haven't got a fucking clue where to start

mumbler · Post by **mumbler** » Thu Jul 06, 2006 4:46 pm

I use MOTU Digital Performer. I am accustomed to it.

Started using it many years ago with my band. We were recording live instruments mainly.

The stuff I produce is mainly sample based stuff, but I arrange clips rather than use a sampler. My computer is wheezing along, trying to run synths to produce sub. I am asking more of it now that I am hooked on dubstep.

3dm · Post by **3dm** » Fri Jul 07, 2006 12:06 am

Time to throw a spanner in the works!

Yes, I've been using Fruity Loops a lot over the last year, although eventually I plan to get stuck in and learn to use Reason too.

And I hate Logic, as it's not Logical at all!

But...

I also still on occasion use my dearly beloved (8mhz - feel the quality!) Atari STE, along with a whole stack of outboard gear that's been accumulated over the last 15+ years.

Because, whatever anyone tells you, you really can't beat the sound of using real hardware (like tape delays, effects pedals, mixers, synth modules, digital and analogue synths, drum machines, acoustic/electric instruments etc), and there's absolutely nothing wrong with sometimes having a bit of low level hiss, crackle and hum in the mix, as it can give your production a bit more soul and character.

I'll even rescue the odd home keyboard or other random discarded instruments from dustbins if I'm lucky enough to be around to spot them, as even these will have at least a few unique sounds on them you can use.

Old toys and games are also good for fun Sound FX!

Also, bear in mind that, if you have a microphone, a mixer and some sampling hardware/software, the whole world can be your instrument, so don't be afraid to try playing about with wierd and wonderful found objects, because these will make your tracks even more unique.

If you can hit it, scrape it, shake it, pluck it, bow it, rub it, scratch it, drag it, or roll it down the stairs (and more besides), then you can get an interesting noise from it and it's worth considering using that object for creating samples.

Case in point:
On Theme from S'Express (going back to da rootz here), the 'Hihats' are actually a sample of an aerosol spray!

Other classic examples of the musical use of found sounds are "Close to the Edit" and "Beatbox" by The Art of Noise, as ALL the percussive and other sounds are samples from the real world.

You should be able to find 'em on Kazaa, not that I'm encouraging you to infringe copyright or anything.

In fact, a lot of HipHop from the late eighties and early nineties used not only breakbeats, but also musique concrete elements, as did many of the Rave and Jungle trax from back in the day.

But, you can go back even further than this, and listen to (wait for it...) Steve Reich, Philip Glass, Stockhausen, early Pink Floyd, yes, even The Beatles and the (now deceased) BBC Radiophonic Workshop to find good examples of how to use found sounds in a musical context - Musique Concrete (that name again).

The only difference is that they were using tape loops rather than samplers to create the effects.

To summarise, don't just stick to what the software gives you, find and create your own sounds as well.

threnody · Post by **threnody** » Fri Jul 07, 2006 1:19 am

3DM wrote:
But, you can go back even further than this, and listen to (wait for it...) Steve Reich, Stockhausen, - Musique Concrete (that name again).

.

Don't tell everyone!!! Bloody hell....

BTW none of those artists were musique Concrete...

3dm · Post by **3dm** » Fri Jul 07, 2006 10:25 am

BTW none of those artists were musique Concrete...

Strictly speaking you're right, but they did (and sometimes still do) employ the techniques and technology of Musique Concrete in their work, which is why I mentioned them.

Another composer I forgot to mention is Pierre Schaeffer, who was experimenting with using records and turntables as his sound sources way back in the 1940's.

John Cage also wrote some pieces called "Cartridge Music" using similar techniques to Schaeffer even further back than this, which (I think) were performed live a few times, which must have really confused audiences of the time!

Nothing new under the sun, as the old saying goes!

threnody · Post by **threnody** » Fri Jul 07, 2006 10:44 am

3DM you know your shiz mate. It is all about the avant-garde! John Cage is my all time hero....and that's just for the work he did on organic mushrooms....the music of course slays me!

Btw....i figured you knew the difference between musique concrete and the rest...just having a playful dig!!!

sinewave · Post by **sinewave** » Fri Jul 07, 2006 11:56 am

you might find the likes of ryoji ikeda, carsten nicolai and monolake using such Musique Concrete techniques.. i might be wrong though.

k.i. · Post by **k.i.** » Fri Jul 07, 2006 12:09 pm

i use logik 5 on the pc and have a large vst collection but i only tend to use freeware ones like aggressor, jx or crystal as i find for dub step you don't want an over polished stupidly complicated mod matrix you just want a phat sound sub and some dutty samples. Drums are down in soundforge esx24 and audio, some times drumatic for the kick gives nice results.

3dm · Post by **3dm** » Fri Jul 07, 2006 12:10 pm

you might find the likes of ryoji ikeda, carsten nicolai and monolake using such Musique Concrete techniques.. i might be wrong though.

Educate me!

Any suggestions on how to hear their stuff - any websites..?
I'm always up for hearing new styles.

3dm · Post by **3dm** » Fri Jul 07, 2006 12:21 pm

John Cage is my all time hero....

It's gotta be be Kraftwerk for me - they brought the funk to electronic music, and for that I salute them.

Senor Coconut's Kraftwerk Versions rock as well, flipping their tunes into Latin beats - clever stuff.

Still haven't seen Kraftwerk live yet, after all these years...doesn't help that when they do (rarely) perform, the tickets are usually stoopid expensive!

One of these days I'd also like to see Stockhausen do his thang, but same issue there too.

Steve Reich too, performing "Different Trains" - that'd be amazing live, because of the tempo and key changes.

You have to be a SERIOUS musician to perform that piece!

Anyways, gone a bit off-topic here...

P.S...

It is all about the avant-garde!

I'll put my neck out and say that Dubstep is definitely on the Avant Garde side of things (if you take it to mean experimental and cutting edge), which is why I'm here!

sinewave · Post by **sinewave** » Fri Jul 07, 2006 12:30 pm

3DM wrote:
you might find the likes of ryoji ikeda, carsten nicolai and monolake using such Musique Concrete techniques.. i might be wrong though.
Educate me!

Any suggestions on how to hear their stuff - any websites..?
I'm always up for hearing new styles.

mostly minimalist music but of a highly abstract, fucked up, twisted and experimental nature..

http://www.ryojiikeda.com/
http://www.alvanoto.com/
http://monolake.de/
http://www.philipjeck.com/

there's tons more.. but this should keep you going for a while

they also perform their music to some of the most twisted visuals i've ever seen.

3dm · Post by **3dm** » Fri Jul 07, 2006 10:07 pm

Hey, cheers for that!

Minimalism rocks my world too, so I'm already halfway there.

I'll go off and do some homework then...

there's tons more.. but this should keep you going for a while

Don't count on it - I have a voracious appetite for new music, so I may ask for seconds soon!

razer-wire · Post by **razer-wire** » Fri Jul 07, 2006 10:09 pm

pk- wrote:i use fruityloops because it was the first thing i picked up after messing around on ReBirth for a week and i know my way around it fairly well by now. i couldn't imagine switching to something else, despite whatever extra features it had, because i'd get far too frustrated trying to learn it.

sticking to whatever floats your boat is probably the right way to go about things

same here

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