Drum n bass or Dubstep

mohan · Post by **mohan** » Sat Jun 28, 2008 9:03 pm

Slothrop wrote:I've been waiting for a while for people to start doing dubstep influenced drum and bass. Not halfstep and wobbles at 170bpm, but dnb with based around sparseness, atmosphere and bassweight.

It seems like a lot of DnB producers (at all levels) are thinking 'hey this dubstep stuff sounds cool, I'll have a go at making some' and often coming up with fairly uninspired stuff, it'd be far more interesting to me to hear what'd happen if they thought 'hey this dubstep stuff sounds cool, I'll see if I can make drum and bass that sounds cool in the same way.'

Breakage?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nvz6tFgDKBA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnjdnmOk ... re=related
Good shit

slim · Post by **slim** » Sat Jun 28, 2008 10:55 pm

It's possible to make more than one genre you know. Drum n bass might be a good way to force you to perfect the technical side of things, but honestly just make exactly what you feel.

I got into production wanting to make dubstep, but i haven't actually made a single dubstep track since i started. Granted my workrate is ridiculously slow, but every time i've sat down with an idea it has always come out as hip hop. I do want to get round to making some dubstep, but i'm not going to force it, just as you should make only what you feel like making.

nekkroteukh · Post by **nekkroteukh** » Sun Jun 29, 2008 5:25 pm

Docwra wrote:Dubstep bores the fuck outta me. I'll openly admit i dont listen or follow the scene in any way. It's getting worse than DNB and finding a good Dubstep tune for me personally like..... well you get my drift.

Honestly though i go in the Dubs room and listen about and hear the shittest generic wobble tune and about 100 peeps going yeah man that shits deep! It's a joke, not saying my tracks are amazing becasue they are not. Evevn the dark heads that emphasise that they make Darkcore etc are just making Dark wobble. Nothing changes, wobble, wobble, wobble. Cant you peeps have the imagination to look past a LFO to Filter Cut Off.

Then leave the discussion to the people who actually like the music.

deadstep · Post by **deadstep** » Sun Jun 29, 2008 6:37 pm

you can like both, I think you have to be willing to do whatever you are feeling at the time. and almost forget the formulas. music production is an art just like anything else, it can be just about anything

sonigo · Post by **sonigo** » Sun Jun 29, 2008 7:41 pm

We had the same discussion, that's what we agreed on:

http://myspace.com/thisisvolatile

konrad · Post by **konrad** » Sun Jun 29, 2008 8:56 pm

Mohan wrote:
Slothrop wrote:I've been waiting for a while for people to start doing dubstep influenced drum and bass. Not halfstep and wobbles at 170bpm, but dnb with based around sparseness, atmosphere and bassweight.

It seems like a lot of DnB producers (at all levels) are thinking 'hey this dubstep stuff sounds cool, I'll have a go at making some' and often coming up with fairly uninspired stuff, it'd be far more interesting to me to hear what'd happen if they thought 'hey this dubstep stuff sounds cool, I'll see if I can make drum and bass that sounds cool in the same way.'
Breakage?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nvz6tFgDKBA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnjdnmOk ... re=related
Good shit

Shameless plug

http://www.zshare.net/audio/1441612955ba7945/
Available at beatport, juno, digital tunes etc... Track is titled Osilno...

Most people shackle themselves within a genre or sometimes two, without ever thinking to take the things they like from the two and merge them into something that is their own. I guess recognition is the thing that stops most people doing it. As naturally they have followed a scene, and would like some recognition from it... which isn't a bad thing, but it's not healthy to be a slave to genre 100%...
I would only call around 5% of output in dnb/dubstep artistic. Most of them do not deserve the title "artist", but as everything it's subjective and opinions will vary from person to person...

Answering the original question of ths thread is pointless IMO as it's a silly question. Just have fun making whatever you make and in time forge your own style and try and steer yourself away from this "Everyone wants answers and results NOW" attitude that most people seem to have. As long as you're enjoying what you're doing that is all that matters (to a certain extent).

promo · Post by **promo** » Sat Jul 05, 2008 3:20 pm

Breakcore.

brutal traxx · Post by **brutal traxx** » Sat Jul 05, 2008 3:34 pm

Breakstep.

curtamos · Post by **curtamos** » Sun Jul 06, 2008 7:53 pm

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zillion · Post by **zillion** » Mon Jul 07, 2008 3:04 pm

curtamos wrote:good to have a break from producing same thing over and over. fnid when im working on adubstep for a while its nice to try and make a dnb tune. and the same the other way round.

agreed i do this all the while.

Its nice to have some variation in production i some times just make something i like and change the tempo to 140 and 174 and see what sounds better.But i always find i can never be bothered to finish my dnb tunes now but i dont really have that problem as much with dubstep.

ali jamieson · Post by **ali jamieson** » Mon Jul 07, 2008 3:45 pm

i think drum'n'bass killed itself by getting way to formula orientated, and i supose dubstep is getting that way [or is there?] however that dosn't mean there's not good dubstep and good dnb to be made

in the dnb camp, there was too many whackos making shitty jump up tunes that conformed way too much to what was 'correct' [i.e a drum'n'bass tune should go like this:, 16 bar 2 step intro, wobble wobble reece reece hipassed amen wobble wobble sample blah blah blah] and it seems to me this music was selling itself out, drum'n'bass for the masses... fair enuf if you like that, not my cupa tea. [and it's not that i don't like cheesey drum'n'bass cos liquid is wikid stuff! at least it was doing something diffrent the made people dance!]

the dark stuff got a lil repetitive [renegade hardware, freak etc] i mean unless every tune had the most overcompressed 2 step with a billion notch filters and some sci fi sample it wasn't dark enough! after no u turn, a lil bita bcuk and some renegade stuff, it seems every damn tune sounds like the last one!

i hear loadsa this techno-dnb gettin played out, i think it's not funky enough to be dnb and way too fast to be techno! sounds crap.

drum'n'bass needs to go back to what made it stand out in the first place. innovative music where people experimented.

i think half the problem lies in the fact that dnb producers seem to care more about how good their tunes sound and less about new fwd thinking ideas.

i got into dubstep 'cos it was dubby and had a sick feel to it and was moving
i hadn't heard that in dance music in ages [old ambient techno, no u turn records, johny l, GLR, dub syndicate...]

it does seem that if you wanna get into dubstep you can almost youtube 'how to make dubstep' and i'm sure something'll come up. this is fine if that's what you want, and if you're providing these tutorials then good on you. but it does mean the sound is getting more and more inbred and you can make a typical dubstep tune, which is doing nothing for the scene

all this said, there's def scope for good tunes in both dnb and dubstep, i still like a bit of wobble now and again

sorry for long rant post

legend4ry · Post by **legend4ry** » Mon Jul 07, 2008 4:05 pm

^ Everything you've just said is true, hardly a rant.

I'm not a HUGE DnB fan, I mean i was way to young to follow it from the beginning but I do like some artists.

For me personally dubstep always wins, the fact theres not even a tempo people seem to be restricted too. Ive seen tunes pushing 200bpm and tunes at like, 50bpm. Plus the fact theres always something new coming out I mean DnB has a MUCH bigger fanbase but its been there for years, nearly 20 years now surely? People who ain't even getting release have their own style and such, I dunno..

Personally for me, Dubstep all the way they both are amazing, if you know where to look but then again, wobbles dying out anyways.....

tempest · Post by **tempest** » Tue Jul 08, 2008 4:24 am

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MUSIC IS VIBES!

abZ · Post by **abZ** » Tue Jul 08, 2008 4:34 am

ali jamieson wrote:i think drum'n'bass killed itself by getting way to formula orientated, and i supose dubstep is getting that way [or is there?] however that dosn't mean there's not good dubstep and good dnb to be made

in the dnb camp, there was too many whackos making shitty jump up tunes that conformed way too much to what was 'correct' [i.e a drum'n'bass tune should go like this:, 16 bar 2 step intro, wobble wobble reece reece hipassed amen wobble wobble sample blah blah blah] and it seems to me this music was selling itself out, drum'n'bass for the masses... fair enuf if you like that, not my cupa tea. [and it's not that i don't like cheesey drum'n'bass cos liquid is wikid stuff! at least it was doing something diffrent the made people dance!]

the dark stuff got a lil repetitive [renegade hardware, freak etc] i mean unless every tune had the most overcompressed 2 step with a billion notch filters and some sci fi sample it wasn't dark enough! after no u turn, a lil bita bcuk and some renegade stuff, it seems every damn tune sounds like the last one!

i hear loadsa this techno-dnb gettin played out, i think it's not funky enough to be dnb and way too fast to be techno! sounds crap.

drum'n'bass needs to go back to what made it stand out in the first place. innovative music where people experimented.

i think half the problem lies in the fact that dnb producers seem to care more about how good their tunes sound and less about new fwd thinking ideas.

i got into dubstep 'cos it was dubby and had a sick feel to it and was moving
i hadn't heard that in dance music in ages [old ambient techno, no u turn records, johny l, GLR, dub syndicate...]

it does seem that if you wanna get into dubstep you can almost youtube 'how to make dubstep' and i'm sure something'll come up. this is fine if that's what you want, and if you're providing these tutorials then good on you. but it does mean the sound is getting more and more inbred and you can make a typical dubstep tune, which is doing nothing for the scene

all this said, there's def scope for good tunes in both dnb and dubstep, i still like a bit of wobble now and again

sorry for long rant post

Then there is liquid - the House vibe was alright now most of the stuff just sounds like jump up.

Drumfunk - sounds like old stuff but not as good.

And on and on. Everything has to fit into a subgenre. I miss when stuff was just DNB. I think it can still be done tho.

Dubstep is walking towards that road too tho. You really just need to write your own music. Fuck styles. It's easier said than done tho.

slothrop · Post by **slothrop** » Tue Jul 08, 2008 11:35 am

abZ wrote: Drumfunk - sounds like old stuff but not as good.

And on and on. Everything has to fit into a subgenre. I miss when stuff was just DNB. I think it can still be done tho.

The people who started off associated with 'pure' drumfunk are broadening out a lot these days, there's not a lot of pure 808 bass + ridiculous amen edits any more. All about Naphta, Macc, Fanu, Breakage (thanks to whoever recommended him, I'm already all over that one), Martsman, Sileni, Fracture and Neptune and so on, running their own styles.

But I sometimes wish more producers who complain about drum and bass getting boring and generic would work on injecting some fresh ideas into it rather than just buggering off and leaving it to dies, because there's still great music to be written at 160-180bpm with breakbeats...

abZ · Post by **abZ** » Tue Jul 08, 2008 12:23 pm

Slothrop wrote:
abZ wrote: Drumfunk - sounds like old stuff but not as good.

And on and on. Everything has to fit into a subgenre. I miss when stuff was just DNB. I think it can still be done tho.
The people who started off associated with 'pure' drumfunk are broadening out a lot these days, there's not a lot of pure 808 bass + ridiculous amen edits any more. All about Naphta, Macc, Fanu, Breakage (thanks to whoever recommended him, I'm already all over that one), Martsman, Sileni, Fracture and Neptune and so on, running their own styles.

But I sometimes wish more producers who complain about drum and bass getting boring and generic would work on injecting some fresh ideas into it rather than just buggering off and leaving it to dies, because there's still great music to be written at 160-180bpm with breakbeats...

Personally I ran out of ideas of what to do with dnb. I had been listening to it for over 10 years and it just got kinda tough to think outside of the box. It started out as taking a break from dnb but it's been over 2 years since I did anything that tempo. I'd still like to do something with it. I have a shit ton of friends that would love to play what I make, I just haven't felt the need to jack up the tempo again yet. But I can still complain even though I don't have the answers to fix it. What are you going to do about it?

slothrop · Post by **slothrop** » Tue Jul 08, 2008 12:27 pm

abZ wrote:What are you going to do about it?

Come up with a four bar loop that sounds pretty good, extend it to sixteen bars, bring in a few ideas, start trying to extend it to a full length track, decide I don't actually like the original beat / melody / idea, ditch it, repeat.

djake · Post by **djake** » Tue Jul 08, 2008 10:56 pm

spor = good dnb and amzing producer!

doomproduction · Post by **doomproduction** » Thu Jul 10, 2008 7:31 pm

until dubstep is on level terms technically.. i'm sticking with dnb.

just listen to the bass noises noisia / calyx / spor come out with. dubstep, unfortunately, is nowhere near that!

give it a few years to catch up...

rickib · Post by **rickib** » Sun Jul 13, 2008 6:46 am

Used to be well into the dnb myself, thought it was the bollocks!!
But after listening to dub on a heavy soundsystem theres no comparison.
Dubstep all the way mate!!

Drum n bass or Dubstep

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