is dubstep considered a DnB subgenre?

concept_ · Post by **concept_** » Thu Jul 31, 2008 10:38 am

d-code's response is probably the best in this thread.

It's not a ridiculous question for someone who doesn't know. And there is similarities with dnb. The focal point of his question was because of the name of the genre though.

Dubstep as a name was coined by the Ammunition series "Dubstep Allstars" CDs- it wasn't named like that because of dnb subgenres as far as I am aware. Some referred to it as fwd music etc. in the beginning but dubstep was the one that stuck and like oneman said, its roots come from UKG, dark garage the likes of horsepower, el-b etc. If you want to learn mreo about the roots, I recommend the Roots of Dubstep compilation

... never did understand why Garage died in the first place. It was so suave, such fun dance music. And somehow its death birthed grime and dubstep?

That's like Angelina Jolie giving birth to mini-me. Out of her ass.

dirt_mcgirk · Post by **dirt_mcgirk** » Thu Jul 31, 2008 10:46 am

easy folks, i didnt mean to cause such a stir. most people that arent in to the genre will in fact say that dubstep sounds like slowed down drum n bass. i dont get why theres such an ill will towards DnB anyways. most people that i know that listen to dubstep used to at one time or another listen to DnB. also, most of the online DnB communities now talk about dubstep, post mixes, etc.

if my question was that ridiculous im sorry. i didnt realize everyone on this forum was so touchy

blizzardmusic · Post by **blizzardmusic** » Thu Jul 31, 2008 10:47 am

D-Code wrote:no.

straight forward and precise!

give yourself a shiny

drifterman_ · Post by **drifterman_** » Thu Jul 31, 2008 10:51 am

dirt_mcgirk wrote:easy folks, i didnt mean to cause such a stir. most people that arent in to the genre will in fact say that dubstep sounds like slowed down drum n bass. i dont get why theres such an ill will towards DnB anyways. most people that i know that listen to dubstep used to at one time or another listen to DnB. also, most of the online DnB communities now talk about dubstep, post mixes, etc.

if my question was that ridiculous im sorry. i didnt realize everyone on this forum was so touchy

i think you are wrong to think that dnb and dubstep are somehow interlinked, they aren't.

i for one never listened to dnb in my life and the few raves i went to, i didn't enjoy.

so no, its not an extension of or subgenre of anything. even the term "dubstep" i think is innacurate and cringeworthy, i avoid using it at all costs.

badger · Post by **badger** » Thu Jul 31, 2008 10:54 am

Ikarai wrote:it's just so frustrating to see people incapable of doing their own research; there's a wealth of info right here on this forum, all you have to do is go back afew years on these pages. when i joined this board i read around as much as i could, to learn as much as i could. the origin of the sound will then be pretty fucking clear.

its just irritating to see the same arguments rehashed again and again. that ok with you?

agree with that but i guess some people just either don't know where to look, or can't be bothered doing it (that's not directed at the original poster btw)

concept_ wrote:Dubstep as a name was coined by the Ammunition series "Dubstep Allstars" CDs- it wasn't named like that because of dnb subgenres as far as I am aware.

i think it was actaully coined in this issue of XLR8R (correct me if i'm wrong), which is also a great place to go to learn a bit about the scene's early days

http://www.riddim.ca/index.php?option=c ... &Itemid=37

there's a wealth of other articles about the early days of dubstep and the dark garage scene that spawned it on that site so if you're not too clued up on your dubstep history then it's well worth a read

signus · Post by **signus** » Thu Jul 31, 2008 10:55 am

dirt_mcgirk wrote:easy folks, i didnt mean to cause such a stir. most people that arent in to the genre will in fact say that dubstep sounds like slowed down drum n bass. i dont get why theres such an ill will towards DnB anyways. most people that i know that listen to dubstep used to at one time or another listen to DnB. also, most of the online DnB communities now talk about dubstep, post mixes, etc.

if my question was that ridiculous im sorry. i didnt realize everyone on this forum was so touchy

all good mate. Apparently you're expected to know everything about this genre by now, I see where they're comin from though it has been around for nearly 30 years now

As for the fact that you could have researched this question surely this forum is used for giving knowledge on Dubstep to those that don't have it? It would have taken a bit longer and a bit more effort to find it out by trawling through the old forum threads but this is the internet it's the laziest form of doing anything there is. This forum isn't just for people biggin up there new tunes, radio shows, events etc it's here to help people out as well. So much for us being a friendly community

badger · Post by **badger** » Thu Jul 31, 2008 10:57 am

Signus wrote:This forum isn't just for people biggin up there new tunes, radio shows, events etc it's here to help people out as well. So much for us being a friendly community

hah agreed. the forum certainly seems to have lost the friendly vibe that got so many people interested in the first place

the wiggle baron · Post by **the wiggle baron** » Thu Jul 31, 2008 11:29 am

It just hasn't though.

I swear down that A) you wouldn't have seen a thread like this a while back, and B) that if you did there would have been a pretty similar reaction

edit: And I can fully see why people responded as they did btw. I really can't think of a much less informed question that could be asked, and it really is something that could have been found out in seconds just be searching the forum. Smacks of laziness, and I for one have no problem with people making light hearted comments aimed at someones laziness.

nesslei · Post by **nesslei** » Thu Jul 31, 2008 12:58 pm

doesn't the very notion of defining genres and sub-genres invoke complete and utter subjectivity?

it all comes down to perception.

people will and are entitled to perceive and interpret dubstep, and any other form of musik, however they see fit. if you want to see something as a sub-genre of something else, then fine ... but expect others to question your view. that's the nature of human beings - we all have different opinions. i guess that's something we need to bear in mind on this forum every so often as well...

personally, this very issue of subjectivity is why i am hesitant to define and label what i consider to 'fit' within a particular genre. i prefer to talk about individual elements of tracks or an artist's style in relation to sound and space.

that's just me

sio2 · Post by **sio2** » Thu Jul 31, 2008 1:11 pm

Its all dance music.

dubstep/ grime is dance music just like drum n bass. Its all underground club music. Many top dnb artists also make dubstep and many other kinds of music. Many dnb forums and communities also talk about dubstep. Most independent music distributors who used to specialize in dnb now also sell just as much dubstep. Dubstep is using the sounds system like dnb & reggae does. Dubstep Mcs are similar sounding to the dnb MC and Ragga style. In My Opinion. The same kids @ the club like dubstep and dnb. I realize dubstep. grime is an offshoot of garage/ two step/ house but the same music fans buy dubstep and dnb. DnB djs are playing dubstep. Now are you going to try to say that dubstep and dnb have nothing to do with eachother ?

*shrug*

badger · Post by **badger** » Thu Jul 31, 2008 1:11 pm

nesslei wrote:doesn't the very notion of defining genres and sub-genres invoke complete and utter subjectivity?

it all comes down to perception.

people will and are entitled to perceive and interpret dubstep, and any other form of musik, however they see fit. if you want to see something as a sub-genre of something else, then fine ... but expect others to question your view. that's the nature of human beings - we all have different opinions. i guess that's something we need to bear in mind on this forum every so often as well...

personally, this very issue of subjectivity is why i am hesitant to define and label what i consider to 'fit' within a particular genre. i prefer to talk about individual elements of tracks or an artist's style in relation to sound and space.

that's just me

i take your point, but you can't argue against the fact that dubstep (as it used to be anyway) emerged out of garage. although admittedly some of todays dubstep is closer to "slowed down drum and bass" (a term i used to despise but it's starting to hold water now tbh) than it does to what the early dubstep stuff sounded like

tronman wrote:its a UK Garage subgenre

well it was

exactly. it's pretty hard to hear the garage influence in much of today's dubstep so is that still considered a sub-genre or has it become something else altogether?

ashley · Post by **ashley** » Thu Jul 31, 2008 1:15 pm

Dubstep also should start with a capital 'D' because it is a name.

binghi7 · Post by **binghi7** » Thu Jul 31, 2008 1:33 pm

iman humble opinion:

if ya go back to the roots,
all mentioned genres developed
out off what was happening since the late 40´s
on a likkle Island in the sun:

Jamaican Sound System Culture.

irie

primate · Post by **primate** » Thu Jul 31, 2008 1:40 pm

what about the twostep or the hotstep? are they also subgenres of drum and bass?

bagelator · Post by **bagelator** » Thu Jul 31, 2008 1:44 pm

dirt_mcgirk wrote:i was debating this with my friend the other day. with all of the DnB subgenres using the "step" suffix (darkstep, jazzstep, hardstep, whatever) would dubstep be considered a subgenre as well or is it a whole seperate entitiy? the influence in the sound is clearly there, but i feel like it HAS gone in its own direction and has taken on a genre of its own. thoughts?

search function will lead you here

http://www.dubstepforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=16170

dubstep is actually a subgenre of a more popular subgenre performed by phil collins

badger · Post by **badger** » Thu Jul 31, 2008 1:45 pm

Mr Hyde wrote:Think it's developed enough to be a genre in its own right now...just like dnb evolved from hardcore, or house from disco (I know neiter examples are quite that simple, and dubstep evolved from more than just garage)...wouldn't say either continue to be a sub-genre of their roots once they evolve enough to be something completely different sounding, so to me it isnt even really a sub-genre of garage any more.

Actually think dubstep could be a sub (literally!) genre of all types of electronic music...strip the beats down put it at about 140bpm and put a lot of sub bass on a techno/breaks/house/dnb/garage/electro tune and you've got dubstep.....its that sort of diversity that I really like about it.

good point. i guess almost all electronic music is technically a sub-genre of house music but have differentiated so much now that they are genres in their own right

binghi7 wrote:iman humble opinion:

if ya go back to the roots,
all mentioned genres developed
out off what was happening since the late 40´s
on a likkle Island in the sun:

Jamaican Sound System Culture.

irie

there's a good read about this and the idea of the "hardcore continuum" (of which dubstep is the latest evolultion) on the hyperdub archives

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