Dubstep Fans Are murder. . . . .

[spaceboy]

yeah, ive seen yung do it twice.

3 times no?

[struggle]

dubstep fans=

[kion]

i'm lookin forward to when a dj buss's a big mix and has to rewind both tunes to get it going again.

progression nah?

im sure i saw young do that once.

Randall beat us all by 12 years - rewound that mix back 3 times.

But yeah - I def agree about dj-only refix / variations on forthcomings keeps it interesting and fresh in the dance - it's kinda done already as producers occasionally try things out or do exclusive fixes for different dj's, and also tweak / refix before outputting on a label.

[spaceboy]

i'm lookin forward to when a dj buss's a big mix and has to rewind both tunes to get it going again.

progression nah?

im sure i saw young do that once.

Randall beat us all by 12 years - rewound that mix back 3 times.

But yeah - I def agree about dj-only refix / variations on forthcomings keeps it interesting and fresh in the dance - it's kinda done already as producers occasionally try things out or do exclusive fixes for different dj's, and also tweak / refix before outputting on a label.

well thats what i mean...pure energy mixes...makes for alot more interesting listening/viewing than just hearing tunes get rolled out end to end kinda ting...

they say dubstep is not meant to be mixed like that. i say eat my shorts. come with it. the dj's have got it in them.

[river]

Im not blamin anyone i was just sayin that people are sayin that the've heard tunes too much by the time they get released!

maybe a good idea to shorten the distance between playin a track out and the release date..

I mean, if the vibe and energy of a track is runnin... why not release it on mp3 straight away-- take advantage of that timeframe

then, as funds come in, release it on vinyl as well-- with something unheard on the flip-

perhaps its necessary to start thinking about innovative ways distribute, sell and promote these innovative beats



peace

[mshadetek]

this is a hard thing as a producer, you make a hot tune and have two choices, rinse it on radio and give it out to people and hope that the buzz will still be there when it releases a year later or hold it back and wait till the release is lined up and hype before the release date. The first is what give dubstep, grime and other pirate based music a lot of energy, new tunes, new ideas, quickly evolving and changing. The second is what you have to do to sell records. I think it's not a coincidence that these styles don't sell well, because the 12" or mixCD for home listening is not really the 'main purpose' of the tunes, it's either to hear it mixed on pirate or loud in a rave.

As a fan as well, I will not be that motivated to buy an album if I know I've already heard a large portion of it. It's a shame but it's true. Basically you have to keep a big chunk of stuff exclusive to the album if you want people to be interested when it finally drops.

One thing fans don't understand is how LONG it takes to get a release out, how much time usually goes between finishing a tune and seeing it in the shops.

[clone.a.k.]

maybe a good idea to shorten the distance between playin a track out and the release date..

I mean, if the vibe and energy of a track is runnin... why not release it on mp3 straight away-- take advantage of that timeframe

then, as funds come in, release it on vinyl as well-- with something unheard on the flip-

perhaps its necessary to start thinking about innovative ways distribute, sell and promote these innovative beats



peace

this guy has a really good idea.if there is a sick new tune on the b side, people are gonna jump on it, even if they already have the A track on mp3.

[river]

your damn right its a good idea!

think about it

track gets made, played on all the shows, energized, vibed & hyped--

if its available for a reasonable price as mp3.. people will snatch it up.

but it will still be big in the clubs and the pirates because the clubs and the pirates have that vibe ya jus' cannot replace-

then, as the money comes in from the mp3 sales, release the vinyl or CD, with another new tune- maybe unheard , exclusive or teased here and there and ...repeat the process.

the old methods havent been working that well across d&b etc and perhaps threaten your situation...

new methods for a new way for a new era




peace

[j_j]

'spliff dub' release soon come lol

[david_m]

I've been thinking about this lately.

Dubstep is not the only 'underground electronic music' genre, is it? and why is it the only one which has this dubplate problem?? (besides D&B, if you still consider it as 'underground music')

So, you wanna promote your tunes cause you want people to buy them right? so, why don't you start that promotion when the release date is close, so people can buy it when they really wanna buy it, not a year after?? I mean, you can do whatever you want with your music, but if you expect something from the crowd (like buying your tunes) you should care about them a little bit.

Y'all know a lot people is getting into dubstep since a year or so, the music is fresh and everybody wanna be part of it, but the same way they come, a lot of people is losing interest on it because of the whole dubplate/rewind culture, which is becoming too similar to D&B. And I have to admit that sometimes I'm getting bored too cause the more people complaint about it, the more similar to the D&B thing it gets.

It's sad, but dubstep it's not the end of all, there's tons of fresh good music coming out everyday besides dubstep, so if it finally becomes what I said before probably not only me but a lot of people will stop paying attention to dubstep anymore, and in ten years it'll be a teener thing like most D&B is now.

That's my 2 cents (is that how you british say it? )

[colm]

That's my 2 cents (is that how you british say it? )

[joseph-j]

why is it the only one which has this dubplate problem??

Problem?? Sigh.

We keep having these sort of threads (too many dubs, not enough releases, too many releases, not enough dubs, elitism this, rewind that blah blah fucking blah) because its quite new for a genre of music to grow so rapidly, with such an international fanbase but with its creative core so close to the fans.

Back when dnb was coming out, you couldn't sit on a board with Ed Rush discussing plates could you? We have so much more access to dubs now because of the internet.... and so much less of a gap between the peeps that make them, the peeps that play them and the peeps that buy them.

I remember waiting years for dnb VIPs to get released.... you're just damn lucky you can listen to them on the internet.... Stop whinging and enjoy.

[thinking]

So, you wanna promote your tunes cause you want people to buy them right? so, why don't you start that promotion when the release date is close, so people can buy it when they really wanna buy it, not a year after?? I mean, you can do whatever you want with your music, but if you expect something from the crowd (like buying your tunes) you should care about them a little bit.

so you expect a producer to not cut/play out/pass around his new tune just so that if/when it gets released, the few moany punters who go on about hearing a tune too much before its release won't harp on?


Recognise these 'facts':

- dubplates enable producers to roadtest a tune, without this test stage who knows how the 'massive' will react?

- it's a risky business releasing a tune with little or no proven track record in the clubs

- it takes a bloody long time for any tune to get from mixdown to 12" release

- this process happens much quicker than it used to

- dubstep has in the last 12 months seen a massive increase in the number of labels - we're now seeing 10+ releases a month instead of 1

- if every unreleased tune that punters took an interest in was to come out, I reckon you wouldn't be able to afford to buy them all


Most importantly, all this music belongs to the producers themselves. Regardless of the heart-warming levels of support that the 'scene' gives to producers within dubstep, they owe nothing to anyone except thanks. It's also up to them what bloody tunes they release - their tunes, their labels, their choice.


Once upon a time the only place you would've heard any of these unreleased tunes would have been a club, or pirate radio if you were lucky enough to pick it up.

Nowadays, you can listen to the latest Rinse set within hours of it being on air, anywhere in the world (mostly thanks to the inimitable Deapnoise combo). This means your average home-listening dubstep fan has unprecedented access to the audio for loads and loads of unreleased tunes, to a level which was unimaginable 10 years ago. The advances in technology however, have not significantly sped up the process of releasing vinyl, winding up with a situation where a vocal minority is complaining about being bored of tunes before they've even come out!


Quit worrying about it all so much, enjoy the music as much as you can, keep buying the records and supporting the scene, and don't stress if tune X or tune Y doesn't come out for another 6 months.




Sorry am I ranting?

[thinking]

'spliff dub' release soon come lol

too late man, that one's been caned on dub waaaaay too long, it's old. I ain't buyin it.

[digital]

I mean, if the vibe and energy of a track is runnin... why not release it on mp3 straight away-- take advantage of that timeframe

I've been thinking this for a while now. MP3 makes the music more accessible to more people and it really is no long ting to sort it out....unlike turning tracks into vinyl. It would definately be better for me as I am a new age 'Digital DJ' and rarely purchase vinyl unless I have to. Plus, 99p or two or three quid for a track is nothing really and it gives the customer the freedom to purchase the tracks they want instead of buying vinyl for the one track that they have to have plus another they are not as excited about for six or seven quid.

Obviously there are still loads of vinyl people who might be slightly against the whole MP3 thing, especially as it would mean that MP3's would see the releases before vinyl. But this could mean that the vinyl customers/DJ's could cut there own dubs from MP3's, Wav's or Flac's.
I dont know much about producing vinyl, but I would guess that its fairly expensive to do for producers/labels. So this would mean that the producers are spending less on vinyl....and making their music more accessible, and in a smaller amount of time.

[poax]

there, see what you have done, are you happy now skream,is this what you wanted!!!!!


guilty guilty guilty

[david_m]

@ Thinking

Well, since we have people complaining to artists, and artists writing on forums complaining about that I assume there is a problem. Maybe it's not the right word, my English's not very good...

Anyway, I'm not a fan whinging about not getting access to my favourite tunes, I'm just giving my opinion about the scene, hoping we all can talk about it to see each other's opinion and improve the scene. It always happens when discussing this subject, you tend to place people with my opinion as frustrated newcomer fans, which is totally wrong, at least for me. If I couldn't have the chance to talk Skream on the net (like you said with Ed Rush) and know what he feels about it, I'd probably end losing interest on his music gradually, which is the same thing I said on the previous post, so it wouldn't be that different.

Oh, and for testing the crowd reaction to a tune doesn't take too long like it uses to take in dubstep, like I said dubstep is not the only non-mainstream electronic genre, but it's the only one that have releases on air for months, even years. I think that's a poor excuse.

I'm not talking about release every tune an artist make, and I can see Skream, i.e., releases as much of them as he can, maybe he's not the best example for what I'm saying. What I'm talking about is people hanging a release intentionally just to increase the sales, which I'm sure it happens often. Like we say here "that's bread for today, but hunger for tomorrow".

And don't worry mate, I'm not that worried about that as you seem to think, and I enjoy the music already and try to support the scene (not gonna spam here, but I reckon I do it). I'm not stressed about certain tunes man, didn't ever meant about that, the thing that worries me the most is the scene collapsing because of this fact, and I'm not talking about a commercial collapse, I'm sure you'll sell more and more records acting this way, but the scene will turn in something that I'm sure none of us want (maybe some do). And I'm worried because we're in a crucial point, where it's growing too fast, and what we do right now will cause what dubstep is in the near future.

[thinking]

@ Thinking....

sorry mate you misunderstood - I wasn't directing everything at you there.

aargh, I always tell myself not to get involved with threads about contentious/overdone subjects. I'm off to play in the sun.

[joseph-j]

"improve the scene"???

Its doing damn fine as it is thank you very much.

"it's the only one that have releases on air for months, even years"

Not true. Dubstep has a dubplate culture because its primarily a genre based on raves, not on shops.

The only way the scene will "collapse" is if people force it in a certain direction. Not playing dubs until the 12s come out will mean less hype = less sales, and a shorter shelf life for the track. Releasing more records could bankcrupt the artists.

There is nothing wrong with the way it is. You want the dubs when they're fresh? Become a good DJ and get in with the people who know, don't just expect it to be served up to you on a platter.

[poax]

i see it like this , if people listen to rinse all day and go to every dubstep event and trawl the net for mixes and streams what do you expect this is why in my opinion there has to be elitism , as anal and pointless as it may seem to some people. Also i cant speak for everyone but i know some producers are not even that bothered about whether there stuff is available for sale. guarantee if you could only hear anything new from scream once every other week or once a month be it on radio or a live performance more than a few people would be intrested . its like people are bag-heads for music constantly ingesting more and more , knowing that there being cruel to themselves!

this calls for a cliche (or 2)

everything in moderation

less is more

people want what they cant have blah blah blah blah

you know what im sayin though, lets just all slow down a bit . at this rate the scene will have eaten itself by 2008! and im still fackin ungry
!

sorry , rant over!