so here's a tune

dubmugga · Post by **dubmugga** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 6:33 am

to each their own UFO...

...you don't always have to laugh to be entertained, not every film is a comedy nor is any tune to everyone's taste

like I said it's just my opinion, take it or leave it. I couldn't give a fuck about impressing people with it and sorry but i don't embarrass on the net...

...every tune we do gets us excited, every tune we like gets us excited if it doesn't do it for you, sweet, it's good to know, perhaps you could be more specific in your feedback on our tunes. It would be much appreciated

and without people like me around on the net and posting up in forums things would be even more boring...

...endless big ups by cliquey crews propping each other and half arse tunes by wannabe producers looking for feedback are the best way to kill a forum but most people prefer to blame the dissenters

andythetwig · Post by **andythetwig** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 9:42 am

gravious wrote:Ona vaguely more topic related note:
-Mr TheTwig: Big improvement! Sounds more spcey and more melodic. The drums sound a little low in the mix or something (compared to the big wide synths), but still heavy.

do you have any idea how I can beef up these drums and add more width? most of the effects I have seem to take "weight" out... is it reverb that makes em heavier?

pete_bubonic · Post by **pete_bubonic** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 1:34 pm

dubmugga wrote:we have to survive as musical entitites because we are in competition with every other artist and genre of music for the public dollar or eartime...

...if you're not fit enough or tough enough to handle the bullshit you won't last long enough to evolve

I've already given twiggy my advice on what to work on and whether to make a living of it...

...take it or leave it but at the very least people should finish a tune before putting it out there for "feedback"

please don't make generalisations about music production that would include me in them.

this 'we' that have to survive is in your own head. Unless your talking about getting a release. And as far as I can see, noone in this thread is aiming for that.

No offence to Andy, but it is obvious he has a lot to learn (as we all do) and has quite honestly put up a description of what he posted and that he wants advice on how to improve it. Not 'I'm getting this released, what ya think?', in fact he specifically pointed out he wouldn't be pushing to make money off his beats let alone this particular one. What if Andy could make the sickest beats you ever heard and contribute to music, not this commerciality and releasing you seem to be prioritising, but just needed a little help?

j_j · Post by **j_j** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 1:42 pm

http://s56.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=21C1 ... SUS23CF9KB

'hollowman'
feedback appreciated

fubar · Post by **fubar** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 1:52 pm

andythetwig wrote:
do you have any idea how I can beef up these drums and add more width? most of the effects I have seem to take "weight" out... is it reverb that makes em heavier?

best way to beef up snares if you want them to sound 'bigger' is to use some reverb, make sure its mostly on the dry side, and layer your snare sounds up, get a high end sounding snare and a lowend sounding snare and experiment, same with kicks, and just fiddle about and see what you can do.

dubmugga · Post by **dubmugga** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 4:23 pm

^^^yeah what he said Twiggy, try layering your drums with multiple kicks and snares then slightly compressing them and dropping some of them out every now and then...

...and Pete, what i'm talking about is the difference between a professional musician looking to get paid and make a living in a market driven environment and a hobbyist amateur looking for props or a free lunch

as a pro DJ you have to survive to make enough money to warrant spending it on vinyl and if you had a family to support then natural selection would really comes into play, survival of the fittest and all that...

...as an analogy it's not in someones best interests to foster the competition and possibly do yourself out of a spot in the finals unless you have a vested interest like say you were getting a percntage of profit from them

you're either in it to win it or don't bother playing at all...

j_j · Post by **j_j** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 4:40 pm

:shock:

pete_bubonic · Post by **pete_bubonic** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 4:51 pm

[quote="dubmugga]
...and Pete, what i'm talking about is the difference between a professional musician looking to get paid and make a living in a market driven environment and a hobbyist amateur looking for props or a free lunch
[/quote]
He wasnÂ’t looking for props, he was looking for help with production techniques.

as a pro DJ you have to survive to make enough money to warrant spending it on vinyl and if you had a family to support then natural selection would really comes into play, survival of the fittest and all that...

yup, I agree, but this has absolutely no bearing on our conversation

...as an analogy it's not in someones best interests to foster the competition and possibly do yourself out of a spot in the finals unless you have a vested interest like say you were getting a percntage of profit from them

Andy is not competition, I am not competition, people who posted in this thread are not competition. How can you possibly expect people to give you the time of day, if you wonÂ’t do the same?

you're either in it to win it or don't bother playing at all...

Win what?!! Kudos? Groupies? Mad Cash? If this was the driving factor behind DMZ, Toasty, Cyrus and Loefah, do you think theyÂ’d be making Dubstep?

I reckon the majority (evidentally not all) of the people who produce on the board, do it for the love of music and a passion for production, not to get a release. And those who in it just to Â‘win itÂ’ are ironically missing the whole point.

In my niave opinion though.

dubmugga · Post by **dubmugga** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 5:00 pm

bullshit pete...

once you geat past a certain point in your productions you will come to realise...

...everyone is competing for market share and the dollar to justify the effort and time they put in as serious musicians/labels

and I have given more than the time of day to many people...

...I expect people to judge us on our music not whether i deserve to be given the time of day

one is art one is politics...

andythetwig · Post by **andythetwig** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 5:05 pm

dubmugga wrote:...everyone is competing for market share and the dollar to justify the effort and time they put in as serious musicians/labels

dubmugga · Post by **dubmugga** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 5:10 pm

andythetwig wrote:
dubmugga wrote:...everyone is competing for market share and the dollar to justify the effort and time they put in as serious musicians/labels
you're on your own there...

...if your productions ever amount to something and you are forced to compare and compete with others to break even then I'll give your opinions some creedence

believe me i'm not alone it's just some people are delusional or in denial or both as to how things work in the real world...

j_j · Post by **j_j** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 5:26 pm

dubmugga why dont u post up a beat and show us what u keep harping on about bro>>

dj $hy · Post by **dj $hy** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 5:27 pm

digi diana wrote:well you need to have more going on in this. and i think there could be a alot more going on with the beats. ok it picks up more towards the end. i think that that sparse intro is too long. if you want to be making dubstep, some generic rules to follow are:

-make it 138 - 145 bpm
-have a deep rumbling subbass noise
-it needs to sound less drum and bassy. think about that other kinds of sounds that used in dubstep that are not drum and bass.
-the differant parts you have in this song do not warrent how long it is. maybe this would have been OK for DnB/Jungle, but with dubstep i think you have to step it up a notch. the longest that you should have something repeat is 8 bars.

these are just rules that i thought up off of the top of my head. they might sound a little superficial, but whatev.

145 :shock:

140 is what most producers build at.Put your fav tune on 0 on the pitch and ready the BPM, that'll tell ya what producers build at.
Deep bass is a must, aggreed
Less DnB?? I dont know about that myself!
And m8y, every 8 bars? Do you listen to Dub? 16 yeah but dont go mad!

This topic is funny as fuck, just reading through it. "Pro DJ" IN DUBSTEP...What with 5 nights a month going on.Who does it for pay then? Its a bonus I agree but are you telling em you lot build TO get paided?

I build cos I love the music, nothing else. I work and earn my money, I build as a pleasure thing. Sure get a track or 3 signed is great but what do expect out of 500 records? You got a long way to get your millions

j_j · Post by **j_j** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 5:29 pm

shy wrote;
I build cos I love the music, nothing else. I work and earn my money, I build as a pleasure thing. Sure get a track or 3 signed is great but what do expect out of 500 records? You got a long way to get your millions
_________________
BRAP!

dj $hy · Post by **dj $hy** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 5:40 pm

dubmugga wrote:bullshit pete...

once you geat past a certain point in your productions you will come to realise...

...everyone is competing for market share and the dollar to justify the effort and time they put in as serious musicians/labels

and I have given more than the time of day to many people...

...I expect people to judge us on our music not whether i deserve to be given the time of day

one is art one is politics...

M8 I dont think you know what your talking about.

Come to realise what?

Music is a release and is not done for money alone. Your reppin an underground scene. Does that not mean anything...UNDERGROUND...What pay are you on about. Every label head I've spoke to wants more and more producers cos there isnt enough of them so where is all this competing for market share? MARKET SHARE. Its 500 records at a time bro, you cant even call that a Market or Share lol

Thats all ppl should be judging you by, your music. I dont know anyone that will not listen or give me honest feedback just cos they dont like me, in a virtual sence!

So our stuff is getting interest, is this cos I'm a nice bloke and give them the time of day? Cos then you are saying that ALL music is based on a good mate rather than the music, now that would be silly right!

My 2 pence

j_j · Post by **j_j** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 5:51 pm

who is dubmugga ,has he released nething he goes on like hes some big boy producer ,i aint looking for no beef but im interested to hear this guys shit u know .

dubmugga · Post by **dubmugga** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 5:53 pm

ju$tin wrote:dubmugga why dont u post up a beat and show us what u keep harping on about bro>>

could you be more specific ju$tin ???

basically if you go into a record shop with enough money to buy one rekkid. how do you decide whether it will be a skream or loefah one ???

that's the competition for the dollar that amateur producers looking for feedback haven quite gotten to yet...

...if it's not finished it wouldn't have made it to vinyl and once it has, it is in competition with other releases of all genres as are labels. That's about composing for your intended market or as i mentioned where you wan t your music to be heard.

and no $hy underground doesn't even come into it, tell me what does the $ substituted for an S in your pseudonym represent ???

... lemme guess, reppin the underground yeah ???

j_j · Post by **j_j** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 6:18 pm

no u dick my names justin, lmao
u r such a lil bitch
post up one of ur beats yeah lets see if ur full of shit or not/
if u r sum 1 big ill eat my words bro.
oh and sorry about the $ next time ill ask ur permission on shit ok bro l

man u gotta cheer up!!

nirz · Post by **nirz** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 7:27 pm

this thread has been hilarious!! man posts up a tune for some feedback and it descends into a ridiculous diatribe about how everyone is in competition?? what the fuck ?? only the very broadest sense are we in competition... like in so much as we live in a capitalist society... thats it .... if a scene was built up by nothing but competition it wouldnt happen at all.... surely forums are the ideal place for people to be able to get genuine feedback from those that know.

big up andy ... scenes need more friendly people rather than dubmugs

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