love

kamala · Post by **kamala** » Sat Aug 02, 2008 10:13 am

love is one of those things you crave down to your bones but are deathly afraid of.

d-T-r · Post by **d-T-r** » Sat Aug 02, 2008 10:14 am

kamala wrote:love is one of those things you crave down to your bones but are deathly afraid of.

You only fear love for as much as you love fear.

kamala · Post by **kamala** » Sat Aug 02, 2008 10:19 am

dTruk wrote:
kamala wrote:love is one of those things you crave down to your bones but are deathly afraid of.

You only fear love for as much as you love fear.

i dont agree. i just think that after you get your heart and soul completely pulverized once, and i mean full on crushed, killed, sucked into a vast black hole vacuum of misery.... it's just way harder to feel save giving your love again. if you even allow yourself to feel any. it's just instinct. when you touch something hot and get burnt, you don't want to touch that thing again. love is playing with fire. the fire of your very being. not something to be taken or given in jest. much like when people experience violence that traumatizes them and then they become afraid of things that remind them of that experience, such can happen with love. a broken heart is a traumatic thing.

d-T-r · Post by **d-T-r** » Sat Aug 02, 2008 10:25 am

kamala wrote:
dTruk wrote:
kamala wrote:love is one of those things you crave down to your bones but are deathly afraid of.

You only fear love for as much as you love fear.
i dont agree. i just think that after you get your heart and soul completely pulverized once, and i mean full on crushed, killed, sucked into a vast black hole vacuum of misery.... it's just way harder to feel save giving your love again. if you even allow yourself to feel any. it's just instinct. when you touch something hot and get burnt, you don't want to touch that thing again. love is playing with fire. the fire of your very being. not something to be taken or given in jest. much like when people experience violence that traumatizes them and then they become afraid of things that remind them of that experience, such can happen with love. a broken heart is a traumatic thing.

although i agree with that also (been to that place, not nice), i still stand by the previous statement.

love is this hard to define thing. most of us get caught up in loving the form and treat love and relationship as a possesion with needs.

"you see me how i want the world to see me, and ill do the same for you to fullfill your 'ego'..!

only when that falls apart people start saying that they're not giving them what 'they need'....and it turns love and its bi-products into posessions.

your MY girl, MY man etc

the true nature of love is loving the escense of the person's formless and being the space around it for it to exists and grow...

love is abstract and words can only do it so much justice.

blizzardmusic · Post by **blizzardmusic** » Sat Aug 02, 2008 10:29 am

Love is very hard to understand, but succinct at the same time. Its something that most people won't be able to fully grasp. When you lose love, its a hard thing to get over.

kamala · Post by **kamala** » Sat Aug 02, 2008 10:33 am

dTruk wrote:
although i agree with that also (been to that place, not nice), i still stand by the previous statement.

love is this hard to define thing. most of us get caught up in loving the form and treat love and relationship as a possesion with needs.

"you see me how i want the world to see me, and ill do the same for you to fullfill your 'ego'..!

only when that falls apart people start saying that they're not giving them what 'they need'....and it turns love and its bi-products into posessions.

your MY girl, MY man etc

the true nature of love is loving the escense of the person's formless and being the space around it for it to exists and grow...

love is abstract and words can only do it so much justice.

the things that one 'needs' out of a love relationship are based on actual instinctual and biological requirements of the survival and reproduction of the species. i need you to commit to me because i need protection or food for my babies, etc. I feel jealous because the stability of my nest is potentially threatened. all very basic. if one wants to be more poetic about it they are based on the needs of the spirit. love is a connectedness and an energetic interchange between people, it is not selfless, nor selfish, it is a giving as well as a receiving. that is part of why its fulfilling. when one gives and does not receive, their needs as a living being on every level are not being met. there is nothing wrong with having needs. it's called being human.

d-T-r · Post by **d-T-r** » Sat Aug 02, 2008 10:35 am

again, im not sure one can ever loose love it's self. its not something thats there or not.

you can only 'loose' the person/material things associcated with the love but not the love it's self.

although the strenght of the 'loving' thoughts might die down, the 'love' it's self isnt lost.

again its hard to explain...love is not something you 'do', its something that happens to you.

,JHEGFJAWEHGF

i can't word it how im thinking it.

d-T-r · Post by **d-T-r** » Sat Aug 02, 2008 10:39 am

kamala wrote:
dTruk wrote:
although i agree with that also (been to that place, not nice), i still stand by the previous statement.

love is this hard to define thing. most of us get caught up in loving the form and treat love and relationship as a possesion with needs.

"you see me how i want the world to see me, and ill do the same for you to fullfill your 'ego'..!

only when that falls apart people start saying that they're not giving them what 'they need'....and it turns love and its bi-products into posessions.

your MY girl, MY man etc

the true nature of love is loving the escense of the person's formless and being the space around it for it to exists and grow...

love is abstract and words can only do it so much justice.

the things that one 'needs' out of a love relationship are based on actual instinctual and biological requirements of the survival and reproduction of the species. i need you to commit to me because i need protection or food for my babies, etc. I feel jealous because the stability of my nest is potentially threatened. all very basic. if one wants to be more poetic about it they are based on the needs of the spirit. love is a connectedness and an energetic interchange between people, it is not selfless, nor selfish, it is a giving as well as a receiving. that is part of why its fulfilling. when one gives and does not receive, their needs as a living being on every level are not being met. there is nothing wrong with having needs. it's called being human.

no doubt...again, i agree with that. but i think most people fall into the illusion of what love brings rather than what the love it's self is
real love is unconditional remember.

the practical requirements of surviving arent to be confused with the love it's self...they're still important though in adding that saftey and comfort net around things.

kamala · Post by **kamala** » Sat Aug 02, 2008 10:39 am

dTruk wrote:again, im not sure one can ever loose love it's self. its not something thats there or not.

you can only 'loose' the person/material things associcated with the love but not the love it's self.

although the strenght of the 'loving' thoughts might die down, the 'love' it's self isnt lost.

again its hard to explain...love is not something you 'do', its something that happens to you.

,JHEGFJAWEHGF

i can't word it how im thinking it.

yes. part of the reason love is so beautiful and so painful at the same time is because it doesn't die.

gotta protect yourself. (learned the hard way)

kamala · Post by **kamala** » Sat Aug 02, 2008 10:43 am

dTruk wrote:
no doubt...again, i agree with that. but i think most people fall into the illusion of what love brings rather than what the love it's self is
real love is unconditional remember.

the practical requirements of surviving arent to be confused with the love it's self...they're still important though in adding that saftey and comfort net around things.

love has been proven to at the very least be a biological response to mating and intimacy. but i understand what you're saying about the illusion of love .. seems most people are prey to the romanticized hollywood idea of love. the reality of love is far dirtier, far more vulnerable, far messier, a lot harder to build, a lot more difficult to maintain, a lot harder to walk away from regardless of circumstance, a lot deeper, and a lot more , well ... real.

d-T-r · Post by **d-T-r** » Sat Aug 02, 2008 10:51 am

kamala wrote:
dTruk wrote:
no doubt...again, i agree with that. but i think most people fall into the illusion of what love brings rather than what the love it's self is
real love is unconditional remember.

the practical requirements of surviving arent to be confused with the love it's self...they're still important though in adding that saftey and comfort net around things.
love has been proven to at the very least be a biological response to mating and intimacy. but i understand what you're saying about the illusion of love .. seems most people are prey to the romanticized hollywood idea of love. the reality of love is far dirtier, far more vulnerable, far messier, a lot harder to build, a lot more difficult to maintain, a lot harder to walk away from regardless of circumstance, a lot deeper, and a lot more , well ... real.

exactly. in todays society though in regards to 'mating' we're kinda disconected (or becoming more so) to that sentiment. sex is sex and often theres no love involved (outside of a relationship)

but yeah, romanticism is both a gift and a curse in truly understanding the 'real' nature of love you speak of...it's there but only ever perceived through fragments which can often cause distortion.

ah well, its the way it is. i think things woulda been less complicated if Love still had it's many versions avaiable to our speech...

philia, eros,caritas,storge etc

threshold collective · Post by **threshold collective** » Sat Aug 02, 2008 11:26 am

love is connecting with someone one on a level thats beyond words....

love is honesty, trust and loyalty

love is that thing that makes you glow

love sucks when trust is broken.

bellybelle · Post by **bellybelle** » Sat Aug 02, 2008 4:07 pm

Love will always be an enigma when we make it human. Our triumphs and valleys with Love are more now reflections of our human flaws when that shouldn't be the case.

Reminds me of something my mom told me once about God but I think it applies. She told me that the problem of God only becomes a problem when people try to make Man of God and clothe him in our image.

I think that winds up being the same with Love. Love only fails us when it doesn't act the way we think it should. But who are we to make requirements of it? What right to we have to define it, when it is more faithful than any human can be, when it is more honest than we can be to ourselves. When it is perfect and we are so far from that ideal.

Love is the Form and not the Matter. Its power and beauty far overshadow our interpretation of it and will not adapt to our designs, no matter how much we attempt to control it. So take the personal achievements and woes in stride....Love has not failed you. The human conduit has.

Dead Rats · Post by **Dead Rats** » Sat Aug 02, 2008 4:14 pm

Love is crap.

That's my inspiring contribution.

But seriously, it's crap.

theevilgirl · Post by **theevilgirl** » Sat Aug 02, 2008 11:08 pm

i would rather suffer 5,000 paper cuts...

Dead Rats · Post by **Dead Rats** » Sun Aug 03, 2008 11:37 am

As opposed to 4,999 papercuts?

theevilgirl · Post by **theevilgirl** » Sun Aug 03, 2008 3:02 pm

Dead Rats wrote:As opposed to 4,999 papercuts?

thats funny...

psyolopher · Post by **psyolopher** » Sun Aug 03, 2008 3:03 pm

I want love, now plx!
i always find some moose when im drunk! =(

Dead Rats · Post by **Dead Rats** » Mon Aug 04, 2008 8:07 am

TheEvilGirl wrote:
Dead Rats wrote:As opposed to 4,999 papercuts?
thats funny...

YEAH, I THOGUHT SO. Know what else is funny? Riding a rollercoaster and then spitting off of it whilst you're goign really fast so it hits you're friend behind you in the face!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL!!!!!!!!

Oh, and humour and shit.

tempest · Post by **tempest** » Mon Aug 04, 2008 8:59 am

jog on mate, tis all love round these parts

love

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