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Post by numaestro » Tue Nov 15, 2005 1:33 pm

geoff wrote:
numaestro wrote:U is a bit of shit stirrer!!! Reckon you'd make it big time in politics down here m8!
lol
don't mean to be. Was just nosily interested in what was behind some of these arguments.
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Post by seckle » Tue Nov 15, 2005 1:59 pm

i just had a bowl of porridge with a tiny bit of fresh cinnamon. it made all the difference. now i'm planning on writing a thesis on the importance of breakfast vis-a-vis halfstep. i'm going to make fucking journalistic history, just wait.

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Post by elemental » Tue Nov 15, 2005 3:02 pm

seckle wrote:i just had a bowl of porridge with a tiny bit of fresh cinnamon. it made all the difference.
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Post by orson » Tue Nov 15, 2005 3:46 pm

fubar wrote:
orson wrote::roll:
look at what happened to breaks & D&B I think my point is valid, too much thought about what makes it popular too much standardiziation leads to all the gay clownstep pendulum shit and samey breaks that has flooded the market, this is an intersting new sound but theirs not point over analysing its features it just leads to shitty music.
sorry bruv that wasnt directed toward your post at all .. rather the whole thread !!!

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Post by dubmugga » Thu Nov 17, 2005 12:24 pm

fucking geoff eh ??? :lol:

...halfstep is what we do when we're not doing fullstep

our fullstep is better than our halfstep...

... I remember halving our first step like it was yesterday

the sun was shining, the weed was blazing, the speakers were humming...

...it was a good day
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Post by vxd1 » Thu Nov 17, 2005 8:56 pm

Blackdown wrote: and the to argue that modern d&b has suffered from too much thought is laughable. current d&b is on the whole, caustic noisy excessively functional dancefloor music. i dont suggest going introspective/abstract, i'm just suggesting if people thought a bit more about what's possible at 174 bpm (ie like Amit and Klute do) the sound would benefit - not suffer.
its not the dark, caustic, noise, bruk out element of dnb thats wrong. its the lack of ideas. i find the hollow, throwaway attempts at soul / liquid as depressing as the regurtated jump up/clown step formulas. there's always been noise, terror, anger in dnb, the music was born out of hardcore/darkcore. in fact the heavily edited, semi-breakcore, cut up, ultra bruk out stuff is the only dnb that shows any display the passion and invention that hardcore had. altho i wish the rnb jungle that shy fx came with had been better explored, that worked.

incidentally, if anyone has any info on a new jungle tune that starts off with a female vocal and soul (real soul) chords, before launching into straight epic darkness, please let me know. its fucking stunning.

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Post by baz » Thu Nov 17, 2005 9:04 pm

fully agree with that, there's a big scene in belfast for skippy "soulful" drum n bass that sounds like a sade record with extra hihats for the most part, equally as grim as any "dumb" jump up tune.

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Post by blackdown » Fri Nov 18, 2005 8:38 am

vxd1 wrote:its not the dark, caustic, noise, bruk out element of dnb thats wrong. its the lack of ideas. i find the hollow, throwaway attempts at soul / liquid as depressing as the regurtated jump up/clown step formulas.
yeah you're right. that Liquid V compilation was everything soulless, winebar-esque and crushingly/structurally formatted that I hate about mainstream house.
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Post by alex bk-bk » Fri Nov 18, 2005 4:23 pm

Paulie wrote:
You can identify mechanics in anything, but where is the value in that? If you can't appreciate music as art then why are you listening to it?
i haven't been keeping up with this thread past page 4, but this just really jarred. I'm sorry Paul but this is a bit short-sighted! Art is everything, and arguably in this day and age good quality craft, technicalities and all, is art of the highest order. Technicalities, new forms and structures is what interests me most about dubstep, grime and electronic music production in general ! To me, as i'm sure to many others, that IS the art!

That;s why i can't see anything harmful about analysing tracks in a technical way, at all. How else are we supposed to move forward?

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Post by spaceboy » Fri Nov 18, 2005 4:26 pm

is dubstep becoming amazingly nerdy or what? jesus....
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Post by thinking » Fri Nov 18, 2005 4:30 pm

Spaceboy wrote:is dubstep becoming amazingly nerdy or what? jesus....
Nah just a lot of nerdy chatter on this board. It's easy to forget sometimes that the internet presence represents quite a small %age of an actual scene/fanbase.

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Post by spaceboy » Fri Nov 18, 2005 4:31 pm

jokers...next thing they'll all be holding hands in the raves
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Post by paulie » Fri Nov 18, 2005 4:32 pm

Alex bk-bk wrote:i haven't been keeping up with this thread past page 4, but this just really jarred. I'm sorry Paul but this is a bit short-sighted! Art is everything, and arguably in this day and age good quality craft, technicalities and all, is art of the highest order. Technicalities, new forms and structures is what interests me most about dubstep, grime and electronic music production in general ! To me, as i'm sure to many others, that IS the art!
This kind of thinking has lead to the current malaise in DnB.

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Post by thinking » Fri Nov 18, 2005 4:33 pm

Spaceboy wrote:jokers...next thing they'll all be holding hands in the raves
Wha? You mean you lot don't hold hands at raves? Man, things have changed a lot in Bristol since you were last here. We all sing Kumbaya at the end of every nite now.

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Post by spaceboy » Fri Nov 18, 2005 4:34 pm

ThinKing wrote:
Spaceboy wrote:jokers...next thing they'll all be holding hands in the raves
Wha? You mean you lot don't hold hands at raves? Man, things have changed a lot in Bristol since you were last here. We all sing Kumbaya at the end of every nite now.
hahahahaha! :D
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Post by elemental » Fri Nov 18, 2005 5:05 pm

ThinKing wrote:
Spaceboy wrote:jokers...next thing they'll all be holding hands in the raves
Wha? You mean you lot don't hold hands at raves? Man, things have changed a lot in Bristol since you were last here. We all sing Kumbaya at the end of every nite now.
I remember the days rushing my tits off to some cheesy hardcore piano breakdown giving some total stranger a hug, grinning from ear to ear, feeling pure love for the whole universe.....

those were the days eh? :oops:

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Post by ghettobot » Tue Nov 29, 2005 1:28 am

sorry for joining the topic soooo late, but i had to pipe in!
subframe has a great point of d&b being double time hip-hop
(or rather that hip-hop is half completed jungle!!!)
and that thetempo is still the same in halfstep, but the accent is different.
to me, songs like word, fallen and root are all this new style (ok, sound, joe!).

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