Nah - u know more than your lettin on - reckon your a submarinegeoff wrote:lolnumaestro wrote:U is a bit of shit stirrer!!! Reckon you'd make it big time in politics down here m8!
don't mean to be. Was just nosily interested in what was behind some of these arguments.
halfstep?
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sorry bruv that wasnt directed toward your post at all .. rather the whole thread !!!fubar wrote:look at what happened to breaks & D&B I think my point is valid, too much thought about what makes it popular too much standardiziation leads to all the gay clownstep pendulum shit and samey breaks that has flooded the market, this is an intersting new sound but theirs not point over analysing its features it just leads to shitty music.orson wrote:
its not the dark, caustic, noise, bruk out element of dnb thats wrong. its the lack of ideas. i find the hollow, throwaway attempts at soul / liquid as depressing as the regurtated jump up/clown step formulas. there's always been noise, terror, anger in dnb, the music was born out of hardcore/darkcore. in fact the heavily edited, semi-breakcore, cut up, ultra bruk out stuff is the only dnb that shows any display the passion and invention that hardcore had. altho i wish the rnb jungle that shy fx came with had been better explored, that worked.Blackdown wrote: and the to argue that modern d&b has suffered from too much thought is laughable. current d&b is on the whole, caustic noisy excessively functional dancefloor music. i dont suggest going introspective/abstract, i'm just suggesting if people thought a bit more about what's possible at 174 bpm (ie like Amit and Klute do) the sound would benefit - not suffer.
incidentally, if anyone has any info on a new jungle tune that starts off with a female vocal and soul (real soul) chords, before launching into straight epic darkness, please let me know. its fucking stunning.
yeah you're right. that Liquid V compilation was everything soulless, winebar-esque and crushingly/structurally formatted that I hate about mainstream house.vxd1 wrote:its not the dark, caustic, noise, bruk out element of dnb thats wrong. its the lack of ideas. i find the hollow, throwaway attempts at soul / liquid as depressing as the regurtated jump up/clown step formulas.
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i haven't been keeping up with this thread past page 4, but this just really jarred. I'm sorry Paul but this is a bit short-sighted! Art is everything, and arguably in this day and age good quality craft, technicalities and all, is art of the highest order. Technicalities, new forms and structures is what interests me most about dubstep, grime and electronic music production in general ! To me, as i'm sure to many others, that IS the art!Paulie wrote:
You can identify mechanics in anything, but where is the value in that? If you can't appreciate music as art then why are you listening to it?
That;s why i can't see anything harmful about analysing tracks in a technical way, at all. How else are we supposed to move forward?
This kind of thinking has lead to the current malaise in DnB.Alex bk-bk wrote:i haven't been keeping up with this thread past page 4, but this just really jarred. I'm sorry Paul but this is a bit short-sighted! Art is everything, and arguably in this day and age good quality craft, technicalities and all, is art of the highest order. Technicalities, new forms and structures is what interests me most about dubstep, grime and electronic music production in general ! To me, as i'm sure to many others, that IS the art!
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those were the days eh?

sorry for joining the topic soooo late, but i had to pipe in!
subframe has a great point of d&b being double time hip-hop
(or rather that hip-hop is half completed jungle!!!)
and that thetempo is still the same in halfstep, but the accent is different.
to me, songs like word, fallen and root are all this new style (ok, sound, joe!).
subframe has a great point of d&b being double time hip-hop
(or rather that hip-hop is half completed jungle!!!)
and that thetempo is still the same in halfstep, but the accent is different.
to me, songs like word, fallen and root are all this new style (ok, sound, joe!).
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