M-Audio Torq

Ashburner · Post by **Ashburner** » Mon Sep 01, 2008 8:51 am

I'm about to bin my Final Scratch 1.5 and thinking Torq looks like a worthy replacement, seeing as i can't really justify paying for Serato or FS2.

Anyone had any experience with Torq? any reasons i should/shouldn't buy it? I've gone over the specs and the only thing worrying me really is that it says it's USB 1.1, not firewire, or even USB 2.

any help appreciated

abZ · Post by **abZ** » Mon Sep 01, 2008 12:07 pm

Wow you still use 1.5? I found it absolutely unusable. Torq is worth it IMO. One thing you should know is that the records only play @ 33rpm.

marty · Post by **marty** » Mon Sep 01, 2008 12:32 pm

i'm using torq now for about a year and it works great for radio shows or djing at home but i never had luck when using it playing out. it was always like one turntable wasn't recognized at all... i really would recommend native instruments traktor scratch. it's build like a tank and i had good experiences with it using it in the dance as well as at home.

Ashburner · Post by **Ashburner** » Mon Sep 01, 2008 12:42 pm

abZ wrote:One thing you should know is that the records only play @ 33rpm.

serious? i never thought to check this. if this is true then i dont think i'l bother, really hate mixing on 33s

thanks for your help though!

abZ · Post by **abZ** » Mon Sep 01, 2008 6:14 pm

MashduB wrote:
abZ wrote:One thing you should know is that the records only play @ 33rpm.
serious? i never thought to check this. if this is true then i dont think i'l bother, really hate mixing on 33s thanks for your help though!

Yeah I know I kind of assumed that you could do either. Every other system does. When it came up on their message board they didn't seem to think it mattered. I am pretty used to it now. It was more of a big deal to me when I first realized that it wasn't a feature.

@ Marty, I play out with it all the time. It actually saved the night one time when I booked Cringer to play and his Traktor Scratch wouldn't work. He just hooked up his hd to my comp and off he went. And I have seen Serato fuck up all the time. Serato users will claim that they never ever have those problems but they do. I equate them with Mac users in that respect. To be fair 9/10 when you have a problem it's with the computer / turntables / needles / cords / dirt on the vinyl / etc rather than the dj software / hardware.

marty · Post by **marty** » Tue Sep 02, 2008 7:38 pm

abZ wrote:@ Marty, I play out with it all the time. It actually saved the night one time when I booked Cringer to play and his Traktor Scratch wouldn't work. He just hooked up his hd to my comp and off he went. And I have seen Serato fuck up all the time. Serato users will claim that they never ever have those problems but they do. I equate them with Mac users in that respect. To be fair 9/10 when you have a problem it's with the computer / turntables / needles / cords / dirt on the vinyl / etc rather than the dj software / hardware.

i've also seen serious problems with serato but nevertheless so far i've NEVER been able to use torq live. i always thought it's maybe because of a bad isolation (i hope this is the right word for what i mean) of the conectiv interface. i really like your comparison to mac users

so how's your setup when you're using torq conectiv live? are you lifting the interface above the cables (i read a lot about that)? i'm really interested in that because one day i want to use my torq live again and make my traktor scratch/serato compadres jealous

especially as i like the torq software much better than traktor...

__________ · Post by **__________** » Tue Sep 02, 2008 7:43 pm

torq is obviously just fine. check videos on youtube of A-Trak (i think its him) scratching with it.

if you can scratch properly on it, it'll be more than good enough to handle mixing.

i'm getting it soon, really can't wait. record your mates chatting shit...then scratch it up, what could be better than that? you can do proper mixes of your own beats, set up your own loops for beat juggling, do proper spinbacks to put in your tunes, all sorts! its dope!

fuck serato tbh, too expensive. a lot of people seem to buy it just so they can say ''yeah, yeah, i got serato, yeah"

edit- oh, and VST support, thats fucking class. no competition imo

abZ · Post by **abZ** » Wed Sep 03, 2008 12:07 am

marty wrote:
abZ wrote:@ Marty, I play out with it all the time. It actually saved the night one time when I booked Cringer to play and his Traktor Scratch wouldn't work. He just hooked up his hd to my comp and off he went. And I have seen Serato fuck up all the time. Serato users will claim that they never ever have those problems but they do. I equate them with Mac users in that respect. To be fair 9/10 when you have a problem it's with the computer / turntables / needles / cords / dirt on the vinyl / etc rather than the dj software / hardware.
i've also seen serious problems with serato but nevertheless so far i've NEVER been able to use torq live. i always thought it's maybe because of a bad isolation (i hope this is the right word for what i mean) of the conectiv interface. i really like your comparison to mac users

so how's your setup when you're using torq conectiv live? are you lifting the interface above the cables (i read a lot about that)? i'm really interested in that because one day i want to use my torq live again and make my traktor scratch/serato compadres jealous especially as i like the torq software much better than traktor...

I just hook it up and go. I have not heard anything about lifting it up. I usually have it sitting behind the decks cuz I don't know what else to do with it. What exactly is/isn't it doing when you set it up at a show?

FSTZ1 · Post by **FSTZ1** » Wed Sep 03, 2008 1:02 am

MashduB wrote:I'm about to bin my Final Scratch 1.5 and thinking Torq looks like a worthy replacement, seeing as i can't really justify paying for Serato or FS2.

Anyone had any experience with Torq? any reasons i should/shouldn't buy it? I've gone over the specs and the only thing worrying me really is that it says it's USB 1.1, not firewire, or even USB 2.

any help appreciated

I made the same transition (FS 1.5 to Torq)

abZed is right, you just can't mix at 45 anymore, but I got over that quick, insteading of paying the extra $250-$300 for traktor or serato

I played on serato recently, and really missed 45rpm, but you get used to it

abZ · Post by **abZ** » Wed Sep 03, 2008 3:55 am

FSTZ wrote:
MashduB wrote:I'm about to bin my Final Scratch 1.5 and thinking Torq looks like a worthy replacement, seeing as i can't really justify paying for Serato or FS2.

Anyone had any experience with Torq? any reasons i should/shouldn't buy it? I've gone over the specs and the only thing worrying me really is that it says it's USB 1.1, not firewire, or even USB 2.

any help appreciated
I made the same transition (FS 1.5 to Torq)

abZed is right, you just can't mix at 45 anymore, but I got over that quick, insteading of paying the extra $250-$300 for traktor or serato

I played on serato recently, and really missed 45rpm, but you get used to it

It really is silly that you can't do that tho innit? All it would require would be pressing new vinyl. Should work with the exact some software. Coding it into the software like it is with Serato can't be a huge issue either although at the rate they are coming up with builds I don't want to put too much on them. Must be like 1 guy doing it

djshiva · Post by **djshiva** » Wed Sep 03, 2008 5:27 am

marty wrote:i'm using torq now for about a year and it works great for radio shows or djing at home but i never had luck when using it playing out. it was always like one turntable wasn't recognized at all... i really would recommend native instruments traktor scratch. it's build like a tank and i had good experiences with it using it in the dance as well as at home.

did you bring your own needles with you? i have dealt with stupid promoters having shitty old needles causing problems with all the digital vinyl systems.

ALWAYS bring your own needles when using any of these systems. if you don't, you will regret it fo sho.

Ashburner · Post by **Ashburner** » Wed Sep 03, 2008 12:48 pm

£10 Bag wrote:torq is obviously just fine. check videos on youtube of A-Trak (i think its him) scratching with it.

if you can scratch properly on it, it'll be more than good enough to handle mixing.

i'm getting it soon, really can't wait. record your mates chatting shit...then scratch it up, what could be better than that? you can do proper mixes of your own beats, set up your own loops for beat juggling, do proper spinbacks to put in your tunes, all sorts! its dope!

fuck serato tbh, too expensive. a lot of people seem to buy it just so they can say ''yeah, yeah, i got serato, yeah"

edit- oh, and VST support, thats fucking class. no competition imo

Yeah i'v seen videos of pro's scratching on FS 1.5 as well, but the latency on that is still a tad unmanageable for scratching and beat juggling. for mixing its fine though.
FSTZ, or anyone else that's used both, is the latency much lower on Torq than FS 1.5?

I'm still put off by the lack of 45rpm play because i like to use vinyl as well, hopefully they'l sort this out in a later build, must be a common complaint from torq users!

VST support does look tasty but i'm not too fussed. Has anyone used Final Scratch 2?

FSTZ1 · Post by **FSTZ1** » Wed Sep 03, 2008 1:45 pm

well,

unless you can break time down into milliseconds, you can't notice much of a difference between Torq and Serato

serato has a different feel tho

it's like the difference between a volkswagen and a bmw

(sorry, running out of anaolgies)

abZ · Post by **abZ** » Wed Sep 03, 2008 7:40 pm

FSTZ wrote:well,

unless you can break time down into milliseconds, you can't notice much of a difference between Torq and Serato

serato has a different feel tho

it's like the difference between a volkswagen and a bmw

(sorry, running out of anaolgies)

You really think there is that much of a difference? Then again I have driver neither auto's maybe I don't understand the analogy

I have used Serato a handful of times and I didn't hate it but I wasn't overly impressed either. If I had the cheese I think I would opt for Traktor Scratch. I haven't actually played on one of those yet tho.

FSTZ1 · Post by **FSTZ1** » Wed Sep 03, 2008 8:25 pm

I played on traktor scratch and its good

I'd buy it cuz I like NI products (moreso than MAudio or Rane) and the box looks cool as hell

Ashburner · Post by **Ashburner** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 8:49 am

FSTZ wrote:well,

unless you can break time down into milliseconds, you can't notice much of a difference between Torq and Serato

sorry, i was asking for the difference between final scratch 1.5 and torq

abZ · Post by **abZ** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 11:51 am

MashduB wrote:
FSTZ wrote:well,

unless you can break time down into milliseconds, you can't notice much of a difference between Torq and Serato
sorry, i was asking for the difference between final scratch 1.5 and torq

There really isn't any comparison. Torq wins.

cringer · Post by **cringer** » Fri Sep 05, 2008 5:15 pm

my experiences have been this.....

i've now used Final Scratch 1, 1.5, 2, Serato, Torq and i currently own Traktor Scratch. they are all pretty much the same in what they allow you to do. the basic function being that they synch time encoded vinyl to mp3s. beyond that, most of these systems aren't much different. Torq & Traktor Scratch incorporate some onboard effects, but let's face it, how often do you use those things? the kicker for me was the actual audio interface. Traktor Scratch comes with the Audio 8
http://www.native-instruments.com/index ... udio8dj_us
this audio device far surpasses any of the other "scratch amps" offered by the other systems. it is a 96khz 24 bit audio device that is completely compatible with other audio programs such as Ableton, Logic, iTunes, yadda yadda. to me, it made perfect sense to go the distance, pay a little extra and capitalize on a DJ system that i can utilize for production work as well. i've only ever had two times when my system glitched up, but that was due to a faulty processor fan in my laptop and had nothing to do with Traktor. Lately i've been utilizing Traktor at least 3 times a week in various venues and have had no problems.

FSTZ1 · Post by **FSTZ1** » Fri Sep 05, 2008 6:12 pm

cringer got bedazzled!!

phobang · Post by **phobang** » Fri Sep 05, 2008 8:33 pm

What's the matter with Ableton innart?

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