Live dubstep 2

spencertron · Post by **spencertron** » Fri Sep 05, 2008 12:15 pm

Edit: go here > http://www.dubstepforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=60583

misk · Post by **misk** » Fri Sep 05, 2008 3:46 pm

i've not focused on live dubstep for a while now. I really enjoyed it, but it's a LOT of work. I'd have a gig in say, a month, and for a whole month, i'd stress about new material, and i'd work my ass off to prepare for it

It is really rewarding when even one person is dancing to your set though. I'd like to do it more - even though it's ridiculously time-consuming!

Im gonna download this and let you know what i think - i envy your reaktor abilities though! I barely ever go under the hood - something i'd like to do more of

black lotus · Post by **black lotus** » Fri Sep 05, 2008 4:02 pm

doable if you're really good at thinking up interesting basslines or you can play live bass/synth.. i don't see how it'd be any different than playing any other kind of electronic music live. i've played a bunch of live idm type shows and it's difficult to keep it going sometimes if it is truly live.. but then that's the fun of it!

also, your approach reminds me of glitch mob's approach

soi · Post by **soi** » Fri Sep 05, 2008 4:39 pm

ez

I do live-sets, using Ableton7, a bcr2000 controller for launching clips, volumes, adjustable LP-filters and HP-filters, solo'ing tracks and playing with send/returns (reverb, dubstation delay and Ableton's BeatRepeat), and choosing some VST's such as Massive (self-made basses), Battery (drumsamples and other hits/swells/reverses/kebangs and shabooms), the last three i play with an Evolution mk449c keyboard. The final output is routed through a Kaosspad3 (basses/fx & filters and looprepeat and other fucked-up-edits. I like.

The only downfall: reverse-engineering your own tracks is almost not possible, so i end up taking little loops from each track, fe: intro soft, intro hard, break, drop1, verse, chorus, break2, drop 2, outro,...
The controllers allow me to not look like i'm checking my email on stage, i wanna turn knobs, hit pads, hit keys, etc... I think it is somehow equally important to be able to 'visualise' your music. Being a statue on stage certainly won't help the audience to start to dance.

I recently bought an Akai mpd32 and i wanna use that one in combination with the BCR2000, and to try to achieve a more 'live' approach. I want to play my drums, record them on the spot and turn them instantly to loops to layer them with other hits,... Same for basses/samples/... but i think that's gonna take a while...

Goal: world domination.

FSTZ1 · Post by **FSTZ1** » Fri Sep 05, 2008 5:04 pm

Soi wrote:not look like i'm checking my email on stage

^^^important!@!!

black lotus · Post by **black lotus** » Fri Sep 05, 2008 5:08 pm

FSTZ wrote:
Soi wrote:not look like i'm checking my email on stage

^^^important!@!!

hehe i remember a story one time someone told me they caught matthew dear in ableton and he was dancing around like he was doing something, but really he was moving a scroll bar up and down and that's pretty much it..

true or not, i thought it hilarious

misk · Post by **misk** » Fri Sep 05, 2008 5:24 pm

haha! almost as good as daft punk sending out guys dressed up like them in their helmets to play out as them

spencertron · Post by **spencertron** » Fri Sep 05, 2008 9:42 pm

Misk wrote:I barely ever go under the hood - something i'd like to do more of

i've had a alot of help in getting this patch perfect

FSTZ wrote:
Soi wrote:not look like i'm checking my email on stage

^^^important!@!!

our live show is myself using reaktor in stand alone mode with 2 seperate midi controllers and using qwerty keys to manipulate rythmns...and then my partner in crime on a single deck sratching (vocals and other bits over the top) with a bunch of footpeals for allsorts of shenanigans...this is especially good because he's a scratch teacher for a living so he's got 'bare skillz'

unfortunetly being stuck behind a laptop hides what your doing, it's less expressive but i find myself bashing my qwerty like an idiot...i suppose it enhances emotional intensity, or looks like i'm sending an angry email

anyways hopefully we'll have a video of the next show.

Disco Nutter · Post by **Disco Nutter** » Fri Sep 05, 2008 10:00 pm

spencerTron wrote:or looks like i'm sending an angry email

CLASSIC!

I'm planning on doing some live show in the next couple of months, just got to get my head around the way to do it properly without a lot of problems.

phobang · Post by **phobang** » Sat Sep 06, 2008 12:50 am

Johnny Beat wrote:
spencerTron wrote:or looks like i'm sending an angry email
CLASSIC!

I'm planning on doing some live show in the next couple of months, just got to get my head around the way to do it properly without a lot of problems.

I talked to a moderately respectable Techno Live PA once who told me that his secret to being effective is to model his PA sets after DJ sets. People are there to hear music, if you can't give them that, play some records or your Ipod

Seriously though. Focus on composition of your set. Is it completely improv or are you going to be playing relatively finished tunes?

Disco Nutter · Post by **Disco Nutter** » Sat Sep 06, 2008 6:19 am

Probably the latter, mixed up with little improvisations. Full Improvisation on set would be the shit, if I could do it, but I just can't

spencertron · Post by **spencertron** » Sat Sep 06, 2008 3:01 pm

Johnny Beat wrote:Probably the latter, mixed up with little improvisations. Full Improvisation on set would be the shit, if I could do it, but I just can't

that was how it use to be for myself, but it just began to get complex when i wanted to do more things, a video of an old gig i did is here the visuals make everything better

Disco Nutter · Post by **Disco Nutter** » Sat Sep 06, 2008 3:28 pm

I just stumbled upon this 1 hour vid about live performances with Ableton Live. There should be something in for everybody.

Hey All,

The video of the Ableton workshop we did with Tom Cosm in London last month is now online. It's a one hour 539Mb WMV file that can be downloaded or streamed here:

http://www.pitchblack.co.nz/Default.asp ... bletonlive

Details of the workshop: http://www.ableton.com/pitchblack-tomcosm-workshop

For the first half-hour, Tom takes you through the basics of getting a track out of your Audio/Sequencer software-of-choice and setting it up for live gigging inside Ableton Live.

For the second half-hour, Paddy and Mike demonstrate their no-looking-at-the-computers hardware setup, dub mixing, and MIDI-triggered visuals.

It's a pretty comprehensive tour from basic to esoteric... with a few laughs thrown in...

Enjoy!

Mike, Paddy & Tom

EDIT: Watching it now - pretty interesting stuff!

lilt · Post by **lilt** » Sat Sep 06, 2008 8:37 pm

also check out tom cosm's website for a free ableton template with one of his tracks fully loaded into it
http://www.cosm.co.nz/

slim · Post by **slim** » Sat Sep 06, 2008 11:12 pm

FSTZ wrote:
Soi wrote:not look like i'm checking my email on stage

^^^important!@!!

I'd love to see someone get caught out with msn noises or something while playing live.

Ha, if i did a live set with a laptop i would probably get loads of email related samples and chuck them into my set just to fuck with people.

spencertron · Post by **spencertron** » Sat Sep 06, 2008 11:31 pm

just remember to turn incoming bluetooth off on your laptop. people sending pictures of willys and cats and stuff to others in a venue can be off putting.

spencertron · Post by **spencertron** » Wed Sep 10, 2008 5:16 pm

i did a short bit of testin of the newly customised patch in reaktor made for live use (although i didn't do a great deal of mangling), thought i'd post it here...all tracks by Pure Phase.

http://www.sendspace.com/file/klkoce

Pure Phase - Pure Phase vs That fucking dub tank!
Pure Phase - Napoleonic Complex
Pure Phase - tnuc Rocket
Pure Phase - Racal Zonal
Pure Phase - Man Power
Pure Phase - Lurker

...recorded live inside reaktor hence odd glitcheness here and there.
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tomcosm · Post by **tomcosm** » Mon Sep 15, 2008 2:39 pm

my first big gig (boom festival, 2006) my laptop somehow managed to pick up an unsecured wireless network, in the middle of fucking nowhere, and start updating my virus definitions while I had a 10000+ dancefloor rocking out. no external sounds and the computer didn't stutter but it has made me go WTF ever since it has happened.

true story.

james fox · Post by **james fox** » Mon Sep 15, 2008 3:23 pm

i once checked my emails from the DJ booth at sankeys in mcr

my mate jung often watches pr0n whilst DJing

piginparadise · Post by **piginparadise** » Wed Nov 12, 2008 5:07 pm

http://pl.youtube.com/watch?v=tIMsferpfhE

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