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Post by slothrop » Wed Sep 17, 2008 3:14 pm

Parson wrote:i like how you stick to attacking the easy to attack stuff rather than looking into the indisputable stuff like GCP.

it all supports each other.
Except that if it's easy to attack in the sense of 'wrong' then it doesn't support anything.

The GCP stuff is interesting. I've read quite a bit of criticism of their statistical methods but I've not yet seen an alternative analysis of their data that disproves what they're claiming.

But if you don't bother trying to seperate the solid research from the frauds and the delusionals before deciding that stuff is 'evidence' then you might as well be reading Lord of the Rings for all that you're actually learning about the real world.

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Post by slothrop » Wed Sep 17, 2008 3:16 pm

bright maroon wrote:I like how special k wrote think twice there....because that's where the echo concept kicks in.

I definitely don't think think there is anything paranormal about synchronicity

..bright maroon looks at her watch...
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Post by ashley » Wed Sep 17, 2008 3:19 pm

like the more boys you add to a maths class the more likely it is for one of them to have an errection over the maths teacher at any moment?

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Post by special_k » Wed Sep 17, 2008 3:36 pm

bright maroon wrote:I like how special k wrote think twice there....because that's where the echo concept kicks in.

I definitely don't think think there is anything paranormal about synchronicity

..bright maroon looks at her watch...
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I actually said 'Im not saying I definitely don't think think there is anything paranormal about synchronicity

you sure did make me look ridiculous pointing out that typo though. :wink:

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Post by parson » Wed Sep 17, 2008 4:29 pm

Piston wrote:ok parson I watched the whole thing..

It's certainly impressive that he keeps so much in his head at one time...

there are so so many holes & inconsistencies in what he's saying I don't really know where to begin tbh...

so there are reptilians living underground and i believe he said 31,272 children have been kidnapped by Andromedans on earth and fed to them to keep them underground...HOW THE FUCK WOULD 31,000 BE ENOUGH TO FEED THEM?

He says they picked the US a lot and mentions the separation of workers & royalty as being something they are trying to achieve and there is evidence of this.....pretty much every other country has royalty EXCEPT for the U.S..

I suspect maybe 1% of what he says is true...I agree with him on a few points certainly...

But the ideal of a utopia varies from person to person so that in itself does not work....we are where we are because of fighting each other...this has helped us advance in other areas and indeed is the reason he can spread his message over the internet...as it was invented for war like everything else...

The thing is I really want to believe in 'crackpot' theories as there is clearly something hidden & sinister but this guy doesn't know what it is any more than I do...The catharsis one can experience when they've convinced themselves they are onto something that hardly anyone else knows is very powerful & I believe this is generally the main driving force within someone like Alex...you can't beat sitting reading and thinking to yourself you are on a higher level than all the rest...I suspect vanity plays a part far more than actual hard evidence...

He also and this is the main giveaway for me refuses to answer some questions and appears to be rather agitated....I don't know about you Chris but I can defend & qualify my statements & world view to the hilt and not since I was a little kid have I said 'I don't want to talk about this'...I can happily answer any question thrown my way unless it is loaded & pregnant with the desire to upset me....but even then I can usually rationally answer the question.......this guy however clearly wants to avoid talking about himself sering as he refused to talk about his background.....that for me is the thing that most damaged his credibility but despite all that thanks for posting it as it was interesting & like I said I'm sure he touched on some truth....

I just wish there was somebody balanced & not totally out there so I could take them a bit more seriously....a lot of what he says is pretty half baked as well....talk of motherships etc

I'd rather read a philip K dick short story in truth



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this epitomizes tl;dr

every piece is part of a much larger whole that is verified and correlated in infinite little ways. if every small piece is discarded, you'll never get anywhere. and that is fine. if you don't believe it, then don't. i'm not asking you to.

everything collier says has been said by other people. i just chose the collier video because he's not a government insider, and i trust civilians who talk to aliens more than government people who talk to aliens.

also check out philip schneider
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Post by parson » Wed Sep 17, 2008 4:34 pm

bottom line is i have had my own personal experiences that verify my beliefs.

if you think i'm crazy, i don't mind. it is very easy to prove that i am not crazy. i can talk about all kinds of stuff that are grounded in babylon's dominant paradigm.
if you think i'm lying, you're way more delusional than i could ever be.

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Post by spooKs » Wed Sep 17, 2008 4:37 pm

who created your profile pic Parson, it's sick

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Post by parson » Wed Sep 17, 2008 4:40 pm

check out this guy's paintings
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they are all worth pondering for a moment

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Post by stanton » Wed Sep 17, 2008 4:46 pm

This article comes from New Scientist [No2173/13 February 1999] [TEC] [Written by Marcus Chown]

In the beginning, space was filled with a liquid hovering below its normal freezing point. Supercooled liquids like this are on a hair-trigger: the merest nudge is enough to set off a runaway frenzy of freezing. That nudge might be provided by a dust-like impurity in the liquid or perhaps by a small region which by hance is a little colder than the rest. Whatever it was, something triggered the cosmic liquid, seeding a crystal that grew explosively, racing outwards.

Does this scenario ring any bells? According to Michael Grady from the University of New York College at Fredonia, it should. He is convinced that the seeding of the crystal is nothing other than the big bang, which spawned our Universe.

As Grady sees it, all sorts of mysterious observations fall into place if our Universe was brought into being by such a phase nucleation event, triggering a transition from liquid to solid in a pre-existing fluid.

If this extraordinary idea hasn't fazed you yet, hold onto your hat, For the liquid Grady has in mind is unlike any liquid you have ever imagined. Instead of the familiar three space dimensions and one time dimension of the world we see. Grady's liquid would have filled four dimensions of space and one of time - a total of five dimensions. "For want of a better word I call it 'protospace'," says Grady.

So why do we see only three space dimensions? Grady's answer is that we are stuck on the expanding solid surface. Imagine an ordinary crystal growing in a familiar three-dimensional liquid. The boundary between the crystal and the liquid is two dimensional, like the surface of an expanding soap buble. But in the strange liquid envisaged by Grady - one with four space dimensions - the phase boundary is a three-dimensional surface, something that is impossible to visualise. "That is our Universe," says Grady. "We think we're in a three-dimensional Universe but we're actually riding the surface of a four-dimensional bubble."

So what about time? In Grady's version of the Universe, time comes in two distinct varieties. First there is the "universal time" which ticks away in the bulk liquid. This time is completely hidden from us because our Universe exists only on the surface. The second kind is the time we experience. This, Grady believes, arises as we are carried along the fourth space dimension, perpendicular to the phase boundary. "What we perceive as time is actually the extra space dimension," says Grady. "It is difficult from the other space dimensions because it extends out of the phase boundary and so is inaccessible."

Grady says he has not had any direct reaction to his idea from any other physicists. No matter. According to Martin Rees of the University of Cambridge, such ideas are not without value. "It's good to float alternatives to conventional cosmology because it tests the limits of plausibility," he says. "But if you think hard about any of them, you can always find an inconsistency."

The idea that the Universe is an expanding phase boundary first occurred to Grady in the mid-1980s. It was the recent claim that the expansion of the Universe is actually accelerating, or at least not slowing down, that spurred Grady to develop his ideas and submit a paper to the journal Physics Letters A. "The phase boundary would in the early Universe have undergone accelerated expansion," says Grady. "Eventually, if the fluid dissipates energy, the expansion would settle down to a constant rate."

Grady says he has gone to such lengths to concoct an alternative picture of cosmology because it explains many of puzzling things about our Universe in a very natural way. Take the so-called horizon problem - the fact that reions of the Universe that are today on opposte sides of the sky have the same temperature. According to Einstein's famous speed limit, different parts of the Universe cannot behave in synchrony unless light has had time to travel between them - which means that regions on opposite parts of the sky should have been out of touch with each other when their temperature was set in the very early Universe.

Cosmologists have had to come up with the bizarre idea of inflation - a mind-bogglingly rapid idea of inflation - to account for this. Grady's explanation is more straightforward. "The seed that formed the Universe was born with a uniform temperature for the simple reason that the fluid that existed before had had time to reach a uniform temperature.

Another cosmological puzzle that Grady's model explains is the "flatness problem" - the fact that the Universe today is balanced on the knife-edge between one that will expand forever and one that will eventually re-collapse. It's a puzzle, because this requires the expansion rate to have been ridiculously fine-tuned in the early Universe. But in Grady's model "the expansion of the boundary is naturally fine-tuned because a phase transition occurs only at a ctirical temperature when the energy of the two phases is equal".

Despite the apparent successes, however, not everything in Grady's garden is rosy. He cannot, for instance, explain the uniformity of the cosmic microwave background radiation, the microwave afterglow of the big bang which still permeates all of space. "This is my most serious problem," he admits. "But the idea explains so many other things that I'm hopeful things will eventually fall into place."

Having an idea is one thing, proving it quite another. But Grady points out that his theory makes some predictions which could be used to put it to the test. For instance, he says, banging heavy ions together at close to the speed of light might concentrate enough energy in a local region of space to temporarily re-melt the solid phase. "It would change the rate at which the pahse boundary advanced - in other words, the rate at which time passes locally," says Grady. "And this might be noticeable in particle events triggered by the ion-ion collision."

Another of Grady's predictions emerges from the possibility that the phase-nucleating event that was the big bang might not have been alone. "If the seed was some kind of dust-like impurity, or eddy current, we might expect other seeds - perhaps concentrated in a small region of the fluid," he says. "It raises the possibility of collisions between universes, rather like collisions between soap bubbles."

What woud such a collision look like in our Universe? Grady says the area of contact between colliding crystals would first appear as a point. Then it would become an expanding spherical surface, rather like the shell of a supernova explosion. Associated with this expanding spherical shell would be dramatic dislocations of the phase boundary. There would create large amounts of matter and antimatter, and copious radiation which would be further increased when some of the matter and antimatter annihilated.

According to Grady, the most dramatic effect of a collision between our Universe and another would be that everything from our Universe in the interior of the expanding shell would be destroyed and replaced by matter from the other universe. "It's just like one soap bubble colliding with another," he says. "The portion of the surface where one bubble touches the other eventually pops and is replaced by the other bubble."

In fact, says Grady, there is some tentative evidence that this could have happened in the past. If matter in the form of galaxies was created in this way, it should be distributed as if on the surface of giant bubbles, the remains of the joining boundaries of the now merged universes. "This is exactly what astronomers observe," says Grady. "And there is no real explanation within the conventional big bang theory."

So is there any other evidence of universe-crunching collisions? "It's conceivable that prodigiously luminous quasars are where small universes are colliding," says Grady. "The fact quasars existed only in the early Universe implies our Universe formed from a tight group of initial crystals which very quickly merged."

It's amazing that an idea as simple as an expanding crystal could explain so many puzzles. But cosmologists are unlikely to abandon their current theories in favour of Grady's unless he can turn up some overwhelming evidence in its favour. Grady points out that there is one dramatic ways that his theory could make itself felt: there could be another crystal growing right next to us in the fluid that fills protospace. "If it collided with us, there would be no warning," he says. "It would be like amini big bang going off in our neighbourhood." There is only one problem. If it did happen, it's unlikely that any of us would survive to witness his triumph.



TURN OF THE SCREW:
Michael Grady's idea that the Universe is a giant crystal growing in a five-dimensional liquid scores successes in the subatomic realm as well as on the cosmic scale. Take quantum fluctuations, the random seethings of the sea of the vacuum. According to Grady, these fluctuations are simply the random sloshing back and forth of heat in the bulk of the fluid. "These heat fluctuations continually buffet the phase boundary in which we live," he says.

Grady also thinks he can make sense of the behaviour of the subatomic particules that form the building blocks of our world. There particles come in two types: "fermions" such as electrons, which obey the Pauli exclusion principle forbidding two particles from occupying the same quantum state; and "bosons" such as photons, which observe no such restrictions. Grady believes bosons are "phonons", or vibrations of the crystal lattice, while fermions are defects of the lattice known as "screw dislocations". "Think of the planes of a crystal as the stacked floors of a multistorey parking lot," says Grady. "A screw dislocation is like the spiral ramp connecting the floors."

Two identical screw dislocations obey the Pauli exclusion principle becuase they repel each other when forced together. And a mirror-image pair of screw dislocations, differing only in the sense in which they spiral, behave just like a particle and its antiparticle. When they meet, they cancel each other and are annihilated in a burst of energy. The opposite of this process is "pair production", in which two screw dislocations of opposite sense pop into existence if vibrational energy is supplied to the lattice.

According to Grady, screw dislocations even obey Einstein's special theory of relativity, which the speed of sound in the solid acting like the speed of light in our Universe. The link between the speed of sound and the rate at which screw dislocations can travel was first shown by the Russian physicists J. Frenkel and T. Kontorowa in 1938. According to their picture, as a screw dislocation approaches this limiting speed it compresses in the direction of motion by exactly the amount predicted by Einstein. "At the speed of sound, the energy, and hence the effective mass, of the dislocation becomes infinite," says Grady. "Fermionic matter is therefore prevented from travelling faster than light."
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Post by parson » Wed Sep 17, 2008 4:49 pm

stanton wrote:Grady says he has not had any direct reaction to his idea from any other physicists. No matter. According to Martin Rees of the University of Cambridge, such ideas are not without value. "It's good to float alternatives to conventional cosmology because it tests the limits of plausibility," he says. "But if you think hard about any of them, you can always find an inconsistency."
sir martin rees is a badass
he's featured in this video which provides a scientific case for the evidence of a creator
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... n%27t+know

he's also got a TEDtalk
http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/mart ... ntury.html

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Post by spooKs » Wed Sep 17, 2008 4:59 pm

Parson wrote:check out this guy's paintings
http://www.benkehoe.net/html/mainpage.html

they are all worth pondering for a moment
love this:

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Post by Pistonsbeneath » Wed Sep 17, 2008 5:01 pm

Parson wrote:
Piston wrote:ok parson I watched the whole thing..

It's certainly impressive that he keeps so much in his head at one time...

there are so so many holes & inconsistencies in what he's saying I don't really know where to begin tbh...

so there are reptilians living underground and i believe he said 31,272 children have been kidnapped by Andromedans on earth and fed to them to keep them underground...HOW THE FUCK WOULD 31,000 BE ENOUGH TO FEED THEM?

He says they picked the US a lot and mentions the separation of workers & royalty as being something they are trying to achieve and there is evidence of this.....pretty much every other country has royalty EXCEPT for the U.S..

I suspect maybe 1% of what he says is true...I agree with him on a few points certainly...

But the ideal of a utopia varies from person to person so that in itself does not work....we are where we are because of fighting each other...this has helped us advance in other areas and indeed is the reason he can spread his message over the internet...as it was invented for war like everything else...

The thing is I really want to believe in 'crackpot' theories as there is clearly something hidden & sinister but this guy doesn't know what it is any more than I do...The catharsis one can experience when they've convinced themselves they are onto something that hardly anyone else knows is very powerful & I believe this is generally the main driving force within someone like Alex...you can't beat sitting reading and thinking to yourself you are on a higher level than all the rest...I suspect vanity plays a part far more than actual hard evidence...

He also and this is the main giveaway for me refuses to answer some questions and appears to be rather agitated....I don't know about you Chris but I can defend & qualify my statements & world view to the hilt and not since I was a little kid have I said 'I don't want to talk about this'...I can happily answer any question thrown my way unless it is loaded & pregnant with the desire to upset me....but even then I can usually rationally answer the question.......this guy however clearly wants to avoid talking about himself sering as he refused to talk about his background.....that for me is the thing that most damaged his credibility but despite all that thanks for posting it as it was interesting & like I said I'm sure he touched on some truth....

I just wish there was somebody balanced & not totally out there so I could take them a bit more seriously....a lot of what he says is pretty half baked as well....talk of motherships etc

I'd rather read a philip K dick short story in truth



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this epitomizes tl;dr

every piece is part of a much larger whole that is verified and correlated in infinite little ways. if every small piece is discarded, you'll never get anywhere. and that is fine. if you don't believe it, then don't. i'm not asking you to.

everything collier says has been said by other people. i just chose the collier video because he's not a government insider, and i trust civilians who talk to aliens more than government people who talk to aliens.

also check out philip schneider
http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=p ... emb=0&aq=o#

bob lazar
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9zoKGaf3AU
See you don't give balanced responses..I think what you post is often interesting but it often reminds me of those fundamentalist christians that you find in the street...NO-ONE is ever as holy as them....

how you can write tl;dr after expecting people to watch a 2 hour vid (which i did) is beyond me as well..

I'm not even sitting here saying this is nonsense I don't believe it...I'm questioning whats in front of me regardless of it's source...

and you expect me to then go and watch more stuff on the subject after you wrote tl;dr next to a fairly short post...is this so when people say they're not going to you can then accuse them of ignorance?

You're even being defensive about your views in this thread...I'm on your side buddy as are most decent people when it comes to humans transcending the state they've got themselves into but no-one is going to be convinced by unqualified statements (overall) from people on the internet that dodge as many questions as they ask...

I can qualify all my views
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Post by Pistonsbeneath » Wed Sep 17, 2008 5:04 pm

Parson wrote:bottom line is i have had my own personal experiences that verify my beliefs.
if you think i'm lying, you're way more delusional than i could ever be.
Can you first give some examples & then explain how the second part works?

I am not delusional yet am sure people lie a lot...what makes you different exactly?
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Post by parson » Wed Sep 17, 2008 5:05 pm

i don't lie. it is not part of my character. even small lies plague my conscience until i come clean about them. i just don't do it.

most people are not prepared for telepathy because lies are still a part of wha they consider acceptable demeanor.

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Post by parson » Wed Sep 17, 2008 5:08 pm

Parson wrote: if you don't like the teacher, don't take the course.
thread is not titled "hey come argue with me"
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Post by Pistonsbeneath » Wed Sep 17, 2008 5:08 pm

Parson wrote:i don't lie. it is not part of my character. even small lies plague my conscience until i come clean about them. i just don't do it.

most people are not prepared for telepathy because lies are still a part of wha they consider acceptable demeanor.
I hate telling lies but sometimes it is the best thing to do...

what about if telling the truth was going to get your family killed?

can you give a response to what i posted above as well please :)
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Post by parson » Wed Sep 17, 2008 5:09 pm

what you posted above was not clear.

and your extreme scenario will never happen.

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Post by parson » Wed Sep 17, 2008 5:11 pm

and if you were asking what my experiences are that verify my own experiences, i'd rather not try to get into them here. there literally are not words to describe it well. it is easier to link to more eloquent speakers.

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Post by Pistonsbeneath » Wed Sep 17, 2008 5:12 pm

Parson wrote:what you posted above was not clear.

and your extreme scenario will never happen.
there are no absolutes in this world as I'm sure you of all the people on here would know...

re-read my above post..seems crystal clear...what didn't you understand?
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Post by parson » Wed Sep 17, 2008 5:15 pm

you should start another thread about your beliefs, if you think only 1% of wha collier is saying is true.
i'm not trying to spend lots of time arguing about little points about how many children get eaten and how many it takes to satiate an alien. there is a much bigger forest you're missing because you are fixated on some bacteria on a fungus.

if you want to know more about collier's testimony, you can read Gods of Eden. i found a pdf on the internet if you wanna read it.

i have personally experienced very intense telepathy. both with humans and with extra terrestrials. it is very manageable with humans. with ETs, it is very disorienting. like broadband internet plugged into a commodore 64.

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