Our world is changing

oddfellow · Post by **oddfellow** » Fri Oct 03, 2008 11:59 am

dreamizm wrote:
eLBe wrote:I would like to say that the future is socialist revolution and that these are just the beginning steps...
The proles are too dumb/apathetic/segregated to revolt now or in the forseeable future.

There is a lot of people who are pissed off and politically active though. You dont need an entire population behind you to get things kick started.

spooKs · Post by **spooKs** » Fri Oct 03, 2008 12:00 pm

Parson wrote:check this out
Lost middle-class tribe's 'secret' eco-village in Wales, snips:

"For five happy years they enjoyed simple lives in their straw and mud huts.

Generating their own power and growing their own food, they strived for self-sufficiency and thrived in homes that looked more suited to the hobbits from The Lord of the Rings.

Then a survey plane chanced upon the 'lost tribe'... and they were plunged into a decade-long battle with officialdom.

Yesterday that fight, backed by more modern support for green issues, ended in victory.

In 1998, it was spotted when sunlight was seen glinting off a solar panel on the main building, which was built from straw bales, timber and recycled glass.

When the pilot reported back, officials were unable to find any records, let alone planning permission, for the mystery hillside village surrounded by trees and bushes.

The 22 villagers fought planners even when they were within hours of the bulldozers moving in to demolish their eight homes.

Now, however, they can celebrate, thanks to the Pembrokeshire Coast National Park Authority's 'sustainability' policy."

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... plane.html

ah yeah, brithdir mawr. some of my friends lived there as kids, i live only a few miles from there.

LEQ · Post by **LEQ** » Fri Oct 03, 2008 12:37 pm

Spooks is a new age outside-living hippy wierdo.

deamonds · Post by **deamonds** » Fri Oct 03, 2008 12:39 pm

LEQ wrote:Spooks is a new age outside-living hippy wierdo.

who is constantly locked to sub

setspeed · Post by **setspeed** » Fri Oct 03, 2008 12:43 pm

Mr Hyde wrote:
LEQ wrote:That story is interesting Parson, but when you get to the bits that read -

The current residents now run businesses such as courses in furniture making and sustainable living for around £95 a head.

On their website they explain: 'We are eight big people and four little ones who choose to live here: working, eating, meeting and laughing togethe

The kids watch DVDs and we run a business from the farm
It seems a bit Why choose to build a hidden village only to advertise a business you run from it online?
also, stinks of hypocracy- as with pretty much all of these 'green' living types....its just a not in my back yard attitude- where do they get solar pannels from, computers, dvd's etc etc- huge mines and factories which need power, transport and all of the other secondary business and other things that make society run, wearing hemp and not washing isnt gonna change that.

eh?

so growing your own food and not driving, flying or cranking up the heating but having a laptop and a DVD

is no better than

driving a 4x4 to waitrose to get your israeli tomatoes and indonesian pineapples, taking two flights a month and ragging the underfloor heating in your apartment (whilst also having a laptop and a DVD)?

what a cop out!

at what point in the process of cleaning up your lifestyle do you stop being someone who is concerned about the environment and become a dirty hypocrite instead?

misk · Post by **misk** » Fri Oct 03, 2008 2:50 pm

of course my statement was generalized. how could one make a comment about the current state of economic affairs in the western world and have it not be a generalization without writing a fucking book?

that aside, it's true that usually wars grow from economic hardships, and that sucks of course... but it seems like this is different, in the sense that america's "power" may finally be waning. i'd like to think some sort of major change will actually occur.

also, more specifically, how do you think this economic state, combined with the state of music sales, will affect our art?

is every dubstep producer going to have a blue period?

feasible_weasel · Post by **feasible_weasel** » Fri Oct 03, 2008 3:22 pm

basic needs will be more essential..

ashley · Post by **ashley** » Fri Oct 03, 2008 3:23 pm

feasible_weasel wrote: basic needs will be more essential..

fixed.

bright maroon · Post by **bright maroon** » Fri Oct 03, 2008 4:05 pm

Here is my big concern - How do we exchange money if we are to reject stuff..?

I beleive that there is a huge glut of stuff right now - They want to know where the money is - It's sitting on the shelf of the Bed and Body in the form of a way overpriced designer scented candle - hundreds of thousends of them..

Now I like a fine scented candle - but exhorbidant price, plus the sheer number of them makes me feel lost in a sea of the unobtainable..they don't even have novelty working for them anymore...

I have these weird problems - for example..my mom buys me an antique carved agate ink well because she was somewhere and thought I would like it - and I do - but I'm like MOM - where am I going to put it? I live in one room and don't even have a table - nor do I want one as I will be crowded..so she gets mad because I am ingrateful - and I am angry because what good is an antique inkwell without a museum quality writing desk?

OH, the pretty green agate material....

ashley · Post by **ashley** » Fri Oct 03, 2008 4:14 pm

It's actually limescale but because you are an 80's child you know no difference.

unlikely · Post by **unlikely** » Fri Oct 03, 2008 4:15 pm

Misk wrote:is every dubstep producer going to have a blue period?

bright maroon · Post by **bright maroon** » Fri Oct 03, 2008 4:16 pm

Ashley wrote:It's actually limescale but because you are an 80's child you know no difference.

80's? I was born in '72.

..or should I say B'rthd..?

ashley · Post by **ashley** » Fri Oct 03, 2008 4:17 pm

bright maroon wrote:
Ashley wrote:It's actually limescale but because you are an 80's child you know no difference.
80's? I was born in '72.

Damn, you're old.

bellybelle · Post by **bellybelle** » Fri Oct 03, 2008 4:17 pm

unlikely wrote:
Misk wrote:is every dubstep producer going to have a blue period?

hehehehehehe well Always brand says: "Have a happy period. Always."

bright maroon · Post by **bright maroon** » Fri Oct 03, 2008 4:24 pm

werd2jah · Post by **werd2jah** » Fri Oct 03, 2008 4:45 pm

what this world has seen is primarily two set of political institutions, both on the extreme side of the spectrum philisophically

-Communism

-Democracy

communism is best, but only on paper, give one person or one group of people dat much power and its bound to get corrupted

democracy is good in a short span, because it runs off of capitalism which is cut throat and a cancer to this earth (i think we can see the eefects of capitalism an democracy on the world today)

now if we want to change the world and truly make a difference in the long run a socio-democracy is the way, not too much power in the "ruler", not too much emphasis on the individual (which helps to lead to a break down of family and morality and values)

discuss,.......

parson · Post by **parson** » Fri Oct 03, 2008 5:42 pm

Mr Hyde wrote:
setspeed wrote:
Mr Hyde wrote:
LEQ wrote:That story is interesting Parson, but when you get to the bits that read -

The current residents now run businesses such as courses in furniture making and sustainable living for around £95 a head.

On their website they explain: 'We are eight big people and four little ones who choose to live here: working, eating, meeting and laughing togethe

The kids watch DVDs and we run a business from the farm
It seems a bit Why choose to build a hidden village only to advertise a business you run from it online?
also, stinks of hypocracy- as with pretty much all of these 'green' living types....its just a not in my back yard attitude- where do they get solar pannels from, computers, dvd's etc etc- huge mines and factories which need power, transport and all of the other secondary business and other things that make society run, wearing hemp and not washing isnt gonna change that.
eh?

so growing your own food and not driving, flying or cranking up the heating but having a laptop and a DVD

is no better than

driving a 4x4 to waitrose to get your israeli tomatoes and indonesian pineapples, taking two flights a month and ragging the underfloor heating in your apartment (whilst also having a laptop and a DVD)?

what a cop out!

at what point in the process of cleaning up your lifestyle do you stop being someone who is concerned about the environment and become a dirty hypocrite instead?

......think its the point where you start wearing ponchos

none of these criticisms make any sense or have any validity at all. it's amusing somebody would take the time type something so reactionary and not thought-out.

_boring · Post by **_boring** » Fri Oct 03, 2008 7:04 pm

all i have to say is BRING IT ON

nousd · Post by **nousd** » Sat Oct 04, 2008 4:11 am

^The blue period or the ponchos?

To respond to Miks:
Less work/less money/less vinyl acquisition.
I like your suggestion of more localized dj/minstrels
but they'll probably be playing 320s and their sets more determined by popularity than cutting edge or personal artistry...

...unless
producer/dj's form bigger crews so they can communally fund waste chip-oil tours.

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