sarah palin debate flowchart

emu · Post by **emu** » Fri Oct 03, 2008 9:26 pm

sapphic_beats wrote:my favorite exchange:

biden: iraq needs to spend its own money and put its troops to work and we need to go home and let them do what they need to do.

palin: that's a white flag of surrender. we want to win and we will know we are done when the iraqi government can govern its people.

so basically, the same thing, only when mccain/palin say it it means "winning the war" and when obama/biden says it it means surrendering.

*headdesk*

ha you forgot the reeeeally uncomfortable OH SHIT pause before she could even respond. that was the highlight for me-

bellybelle · Post by **bellybelle** » Fri Oct 03, 2008 9:28 pm

Slim wrote:Did she just say "put the partisan shit aside"? Biden looked at her a little funny after she said that.

It's becoming more and more obvious that she was selected for being a woman, rather than any actual merit. It's such a contrived and insulting move by the Republicans, i can't believe they have actually gone through with it.

STOP SAYING DARN RIGHT... IT'S NOT CUTE AND IT'S NOT MAKING YOU LOOK ANY LESS OF A MORON

not just a woman tho....the kind of woman they want the women of the US to be. Cutesy folksy ladies with moxy but no real substance. We've seen this with the rise in popularity of female figures like Britney Spears and Jessica Simpson. She just has brown hair and glasses so you know she's also smart too. In that Main Street wisdom kinda way.

There are so many more qualified, intelligent, outspoken female Republicans that the choice for this woman is an absolute slap in the face to them more than anything. Just in choosing from governors, was Christine Todd Whitman busy or something? I would have greatly enjoyed watching a debate between she and Biden--the republicans might have actually had something to say.

I mean....aren't Republicans insulted by how dumb they're assuming their party is? I would be insulted as fuck if Barak Obama arrived at a debate with a medallion and said, "Naaaaaaah meeeeeeen," every two secs. Though I'd prolly piss myself if he called McCain a ...er....successful black man. But even still....I'd still be insulted.

slim · Post by **slim** » Fri Oct 03, 2008 9:30 pm

bellybelle wrote:"energy producing state"

Yeah, fuck you thermodynamics

slim · Post by **slim** » Fri Oct 03, 2008 9:44 pm

bellybelle wrote: I mean....aren't Republicans insulted by how dumb they're assuming their party is? I would be insulted as fuck if Barak Obama arrived at a debate with a medallion and said, "Naaaaaaah meeeeeeen," every two secs. Though I'd prolly piss myself if he called McCain a ...er....successful black man. But even still....I'd still be insulted.

It's such an insidious form of sexism that they are flaunting to the whole world, but thinking they are getting away with it. Or maybe they are getting away with it, i don't know, but to me it just looks pathetic. When people call McCain and his general crew out of touch its ridiculous how true that is.

You are right, they couldn't get away with pandering to ridiculous racial stereotypes the way they are doing with gender stereotypes. And then there is the whole story about the way McCain treats his wife, so i find his selection of this cardboard cut out soccer mom even more reprehensible.

Please don't fuck this up USA, i plan on moving to you in a few years, and i REALLY don't want this idiot being my boss.

bellybelle · Post by **bellybelle** » Fri Oct 03, 2008 9:57 pm

Slim wrote:Please don't fuck this up USA, i plan on moving to you in a few years, and i REALLY don't want this idiot being my boss.

You wanna know my secret fear with this? That the Obama/Biden lead is close enough for the corrupted officials to steal the election again like in 2000. Things like this scare the shit out of me. That's from last month. Looks like there's already gonna be a helluva fight here in FL.

read this too....St Pete Times just a few days ago: http://www.tampabay.com/opinion/editori ... 833512.ece

Florida also has an unreasonable "no match-no vote" law that seems designed to deny as many citizens as possible the ability to register. Originally, if a computer determined that a registrant's voter registration application did not perfectly match his Social Security or Florida driver's license information, the registration was invalid and little effort was made to double-check. Problems as simple as having the name "William" on one's identification but writing down "Bill" on the registration form was enough to throw it into doubt.

To add to this unfairness, the law blocked people from making corrections to their registration forms after the registration window closed. Even if there were weeks to go before an election, the unverified registrant was out of luck and disenfranchised. The law kept thousands of Floridians from voting, affecting a disproportionate number of African-Americans and Hispanics. It raised suspicions that the Republican-dominated Legislature was purposely adding roadblocks to voting for these voters, who tend to be Democrats.

This makes me very wary about the state I live in.

slim · Post by **slim** » Fri Oct 03, 2008 10:16 pm

bellybelle wrote:
Slim wrote:Please don't fuck this up USA, i plan on moving to you in a few years, and i REALLY don't want this idiot being my boss.
this

SHUT UP

(not you)

that just sounds like an excuse to void a load of people's ballot papers and blame an administrative error. And plus it might encourage people who are wary of state surveillance to not vote, further fucking up the principles your country was founded on.

I've been to florida several times and loved it every time i've been, but it is a severely fucked up place politically. I understand the drive to seprate state government from federal government, but having different election laws for a national election especially in a state with such a massive black and particularly latino population, who from what i'm seeing are becoming more and more likely to vote democrat in this election.

edit: wow, what i wrote there before didn't make much sense

bellybelle · Post by **bellybelle** » Fri Oct 03, 2008 10:33 pm

the fight's in play early this year with FL Voters. I am really hoping the level of exposure the voting corruption has received in the last two presidential elections will be enough to make people really watch how this plays out but these were passed early in the year. I only hope the result is not as big as it could be. The "no match no vote" coupled with the inability to correct the information after the registration date...for things as simple as a middle initial or a maiden name...thats some scary shit.

anaphor · Post by **anaphor** » Sat Oct 04, 2008 3:55 am

We're heading towards a depression and have not only Palin as a presidential running-mate, but also millions of people who think that both her and McCain are decent candidates (which is more appalling is, perhaps, debatable.) Why in the world would anybody want to move here? I can't wait to move out.

nousd · Post by **nousd** » Sat Oct 04, 2008 3:56 am

Without the need to hate so much,
I thought Sarah seemed a nice lady that coped reasonably well
given that she is well over her head.
Joe was VERY impressive and has a lovely smile and haircut.
The best out-take that I heard (I think) was Sarah's:
"John McCain has to leave...ah...lead..."
but it was surprising to hear all the mangled English from both sides.

guerillaeye · Post by **guerillaeye** » Sat Oct 04, 2008 4:37 am

those are called "americanisms"

nousd · Post by **nousd** » Sat Oct 04, 2008 5:05 am

O I don't mean the expressions or dialects (as they are being referred to)
but the contorted responses
under the pressure of not wanting to be seen as fazed...
Misreferences, twisted sentences, half-said ideas.
Personally, I would like to see potential leaders insist on taking their time to consider replies to crucial questions...they could make this attractive to voters by adopting deep-and-meaningful poses or making utterances like:
"Now that is an important question which deserves more than a sound bite answer."
Obviously this is not what these presentations are about though.

feasible_weasel · Post by **feasible_weasel** » Sat Oct 04, 2008 9:16 am

ive seen her debating skills

slim · Post by **slim** » Sat Oct 04, 2008 11:02 am

Anaphor wrote:Why in the world would anybody want to move here? I can't wait to move out.

I feel the same about where i live now, but in a nutshell, emergency medicine residency. (plus a lot of other things including accent, basketball, jolly ranchers, the fact that you have so many people with no healthcare means lots of opportunity to work pro bono, vanilla coke and i speak spanish, which is not much help here)

I would happily swap visas with you.

djshiva · Post by **djshiva** » Sat Oct 04, 2008 12:20 pm

EMU wrote:
sapphic_beats wrote:my favorite exchange:

biden: iraq needs to spend its own money and put its troops to work and we need to go home and let them do what they need to do.

palin: that's a white flag of surrender. we want to win and we will know we are done when the iraqi government can govern its people.

so basically, the same thing, only when mccain/palin say it it means "winning the war" and when obama/biden says it it means surrendering.

*headdesk*
ha you forgot the reeeeally uncomfortable OH SHIT pause before she could even respond. that was the highlight for me-

ummm...what was that thing i was supposed to say? it was something kinda tough...oh yeah! white flag of surrender!!! we will win! something something something iraq. energy producing state, and all that!

Slim wrote:
bellybelle wrote: I mean....aren't Republicans insulted by how dumb they're assuming their party is? I would be insulted as fuck if Barak Obama arrived at a debate with a medallion and said, "Naaaaaaah meeeeeeen," every two secs. Though I'd prolly piss myself if he called McCain a ...er....successful black man. But even still....I'd still be insulted.
It's such an insidious form of sexism that they are flaunting to the whole world, but thinking they are getting away with it. Or maybe they are getting away with it, i don't know, but to me it just looks pathetic. When people call McCain and his general crew out of touch its ridiculous how true that is.

You are right, they couldn't get away with pandering to ridiculous racial stereotypes the way they are doing with gender stereotypes. And then there is the whole story about the way McCain treats his wife, so i find his selection of this cardboard cut out soccer mom even more reprehensible.

i think rachel maddow really nailed it in an interview with afterellen.com:

“One specific thing that I think has been interesting in this campaign is the use of ‘sexism’ and ‘sexist’ as an epithet in completely inappropriate ways,” she says. “The Republicans’ strategy, in putting Sarah Palin on their ticket, and the way they have presented her, and the way they have structured their political fortifications around her, has been to cry sexism at any criticism of her, to cry sexism at any political glance toward her. What they are doing is the form of sexism that you see in ostentatious chivalry.”

anaphor · Post by **anaphor** » Sat Oct 04, 2008 2:39 pm

Slim wrote:
Anaphor wrote:Why in the world would anybody want to move here? I can't wait to move out.
I feel the same about where i live now, but in a nutshell, emergency medicine residency. (plus a lot of other things including accent, basketball, jolly ranchers, the fact that you have so many people with no healthcare means lots of opportunity to work pro bono, vanilla coke and i speak spanish, which is not much help here)

I would happily swap visas with you.

Where are you living now? I'm looking to get to Switzerland.

bellybelle · Post by **bellybelle** » Sat Oct 04, 2008 2:50 pm

sapphic_beats wrote:i think rachel maddow really nailed it in an interview with afterellen.com:

“One specific thing that I think has been interesting in this campaign is the use of ‘sexism’ and ‘sexist’ as an epithet in completely inappropriate ways,” she says. “The Republicans’ strategy, in putting Sarah Palin on their ticket, and the way they have presented her, and the way they have structured their political fortifications around her, has been to cry sexism at any criticism of her, to cry sexism at any political glance toward her. What they are doing is the form of sexism that you see in ostentatious chivalry.”

amazing that "sexism" only seems to matter when the woman is a doily. When it was Hilary, every other reason in the book except sexism was reviewed and turned into an indication of how off we'd be with her as President. There doesn't seem to be a happy medium.....this woman is an idiot and Hilary was a bitch.

So what does a well accepted, well informed, well prepared woman in politics in the US look like then? One with mass appeal who can actually serve our country as a responsible and informed citizen?

guerillaeye · Post by **guerillaeye** » Sat Oct 04, 2008 2:53 pm

Anaphor wrote:
Slim wrote:
Anaphor wrote:Why in the world would anybody want to move here? I can't wait to move out.
I feel the same about where i live now, but in a nutshell, emergency medicine residency. (plus a lot of other things including accent, basketball, jolly ranchers, the fact that you have so many people with no healthcare means lots of opportunity to work pro bono, vanilla coke and i speak spanish, which is not much help here)

I would happily swap visas with you.
Where are you living now? I'm looking to get to Switzerland.

Wait a minute.. pro-bono health care?

You dont belong in America. You need to be all like "Here.. take all these pills and give me the moneys!"

yong · Post by **yong** » Sat Oct 04, 2008 8:59 pm

That whole elitism thing...

Isn't the president kinda supposed to be smarter than you?

djshiva · Post by **djshiva** » Sat Oct 04, 2008 9:14 pm

yong wrote:That whole elitism thing...

Isn't the president kinda supposed to be smarter than you?

one would frickin' hope so. i don't wanna have a beer with the president, i want the president to do positive shit and not get us all killed. that takes a bit of brains, an even temper, and the ability to understand that diplomacy and standing up for yourself are not 2 diametrically opposed concepts.

maori-nick · Post by **maori-nick** » Sat Oct 04, 2008 9:40 pm

i havent really bothered to watch any of the american political stuff on atm, frankly because i cba, but ive watched 2 videos so far about palin and john mcCain and holy christ where do they find these people?

Are any republicans actually educated?

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