Does anyone NOT have turntables?

DFRNT · Post by **DFRNT** » Fri Oct 10, 2008 9:42 am

And if so - what do you do when you hear a great track that you want to buy, but can't find on any format other than vinyl?

My turntables are in storage because I have no room in my flat for them - and I'm not sure if I'll ever use them again, as I'm considering CD decks (yes, that's a whole different argument) - however I'm just curious as to whether anybody else doesn't have access to turntables, and what they do in this circumstance?

dubluke · Post by **dubluke** » Fri Oct 10, 2008 9:51 am

maybe you could buy it, then go to a mates who has turntables and rip it to a computer?

spencertron · Post by **spencertron** » Fri Oct 10, 2008 9:53 am

i would like record labels to provide unique secure download codes for vinyl buyers which are part of the record you have bought. Basically so you can have yer vinyl as mp3's because you bought the vinyl copy, i know you can rip vinyl yourself, but it's an absolute pain in the balls especially if you like vinyl but don't have the set-up to do this (to make a CD for your car or tracks for MP3 etc).

This does mean vinyl buyers get more for their money, but it ain't cheap anyway. i pay 5.99 for a single, or i could pay 79p download. i'll never stray from records as long as they are around, but it's annoying that i have to do ripping each time to hear the tunes i bought when i'm outside of my house. it's alot of time lost.

i won't pay twice for one product, and copying music is only seen as bad. but there is no other option.

record labels don't have to make sure that all formats are catered for, but it would be an improvement IMO, for both preventing copies unlawfully being made and saving people tonnes of time and money

Jak The lad · Post by **Jak The lad** » Fri Oct 10, 2008 9:58 am

spencerTron wrote:
i would like record labels to provide unique secure download codes for vinyl buyers which are part of the record you have bought. Basically so you can have yer vinyl as mp3's because you bought the vinyl copy, i know you can rip vinyl yourself, but it's an absolute pain in the balls especially if you like vinyl but don't have the set-up to do this (to make a CD for your car or tracks for MP3 etc).

This does mean vinyl buyers get more for their money, but it ain't cheap anyway. i pay 5.99 for a single, or i could pay 79p download. i'll never stray from records as long as they are around, but it's annoying that i have to do ripping each time to hear the tunes i bought when i'm outside of my house. it's alot of time lost.

i won't pay twice for one product, and copying music is only seen as bad. but there is no other option.

record labels don't have to make sure that all formats are catered for, but it would be an improvement IMO, for both preventing copies unlawfully being made and saving people tonnes of time and money

Soul Motive do this, and i think it's done well.

As long as you've got proof or purchase or something similar, it should be a good thing to introduce.

spencertron · Post by **spencertron** » Fri Oct 10, 2008 10:01 am

JTL wrote:
spencerTron wrote:
i would like record labels to provide unique secure download codes for vinyl buyers which are part of the record you have bought. Basically so you can have yer vinyl as mp3's because you bought the vinyl copy, i know you can rip vinyl yourself, but it's an absolute pain in the balls especially if you like vinyl but don't have the set-up to do this (to make a CD for your car or tracks for MP3 etc).

This does mean vinyl buyers get more for their money, but it ain't cheap anyway. i pay 5.99 for a single, or i could pay 79p download. i'll never stray from records as long as they are around, but it's annoying that i have to do ripping each time to hear the tunes i bought when i'm outside of my house. it's alot of time lost.

i won't pay twice for one product, and copying music is only seen as bad. but there is no other option.

record labels don't have to make sure that all formats are catered for, but it would be an improvement IMO, for both preventing copies unlawfully being made and saving people tonnes of time and money
Soul Motive do this, and i think it's done well.

As long as you've got proof or purchase or something similar, it should be a good thing to introduce.

christ!!! i can't believe it, thats really good that it's happening in places. (i actually quoted myself from yesteryear in that post)

i've been pushin this idea to others for a while myself (after the label which my band was on suggested it as an idea). it makes sense.

DFRNT · Post by **DFRNT** » Fri Oct 10, 2008 10:31 am

I think that's a brilliant idea.

I don't mind paying for music - if I can get a nice quality download.

Then I don't have to lumber vinyl around, or find room for storage - and I can get hold of tracks only available on plastic.

Thing is - Would a system like this still require purchase of the actual vinyl - as I'd still have to find space to store the vinyl - which I might not use.

And who's to say you couldn't buy the vinyl, then download the track - and sell the vinyl. You could make some money back, but still have the digital file.

pete_bubonic · Post by **pete_bubonic** » Fri Oct 10, 2008 10:57 am

All Soul Motive vinyl releases (as pointed out) have unique download codes to get the mastered MP3's with digital copies of the artwork for you desktop. In fact we deliberately stagger the MP3 releases on sites to encourage and reward people for buying the vinyl.

We will continue to do this and add and expand the service when we come up with new ideas and as long as the service isn't abused.

ashley · Post by **ashley** » Fri Oct 10, 2008 10:59 am

We thought about this for when we can be bothered to release our own label.

If it is possible to get the people who print the stickers to stick a unique number on them then people can claim this number online.

Downside is what if someone sells the vinyl on discogs? Should the code expire for a limited amount of downloads?

DFRNT · Post by **DFRNT** » Fri Oct 10, 2008 11:02 am

Ashley wrote:Downside is what if someone sells the vinyl on discogs? Should the code expire for a limited amount of downloads?

Yeah - presumably a few things could happen.

The download lasts for 3 downloads or something - the first owner download it - sells the vinyl, and provides the code to the second owner - who has enough credits to download it.

or

The owner decides whether or not to provide the second buyer with the mp3 when the vinyl is purchased

or

The second buyer buys the vinyl and doesn't recieve the mp3 files - just a downside of buying second-hand.

None are ideal solutions, but all are likely.

spencertron · Post by **spencertron** » Fri Oct 10, 2008 11:31 am

i reckon one download per code per vinyl, why should there be more? (god knows where to place it though, maybe one of those scratch off tabs somewhere (white labels obviously it won't happen).

synthie_and_roma · Post by **synthie_and_roma** » Fri Oct 10, 2008 11:37 am

very very interesting idea though!!!

It's time for new inventions...

dom · Post by **dom** » Fri Oct 10, 2008 11:39 am

pete bubonic wrote:All Soul Motive vinyl releases (as pointed out) have unique download codes to get the mastered MP3's with digital copies of the artwork for you desktop. In fact we deliberately stagger the MP3 releases on sites to encourage and reward people for buying the vinyl.

We will continue to do this and add and expand the service when we come up with new ideas and as long as the service isn't abused.

do you have to print different codes on each record then? is that not very expensive?

DFRNT · Post by **DFRNT** » Fri Oct 10, 2008 11:41 am

Dom wrote:
pete bubonic wrote:All Soul Motive vinyl releases (as pointed out) have unique download codes to get the mastered MP3's with digital copies of the artwork for you desktop. In fact we deliberately stagger the MP3 releases on sites to encourage and reward people for buying the vinyl.

We will continue to do this and add and expand the service when we come up with new ideas and as long as the service isn't abused.
do you have to print different codes on each record then? is that not very expensive?

Would be easier to add to the reciept.

ashley · Post by **ashley** » Fri Oct 10, 2008 11:45 am

Alex-C wrote:
Dom wrote:
pete bubonic wrote:All Soul Motive vinyl releases (as pointed out) have unique download codes to get the mastered MP3's with digital copies of the artwork for you desktop. In fact we deliberately stagger the MP3 releases on sites to encourage and reward people for buying the vinyl.

We will continue to do this and add and expand the service when we come up with new ideas and as long as the service isn't abused.
do you have to print different codes on each record then? is that not very expensive?
Would be easier to add to the reciept.

reciepts can be lost.........but then so can vinyl..........but vinyl doesn't blow away in the wind or look like hundreds of other reciepts and mini statements

DFRNT · Post by **DFRNT** » Fri Oct 10, 2008 11:48 am

true - maybe a slip in with the vinyl?

Reciept would be most efficient, then it's just a case of telling the customer it's there.

Even better if it was an email reciept - and then less chance of it getting lost.

Those who wanted to take advantage would make sure the code wasn't lost till they had the mp3 anyways.

dj fidelity · Post by **dj fidelity** » Fri Oct 10, 2008 11:49 am

Although I am totally with this in Principle...

It could prove costly and time consuming for labels to do...

If a label is properly managed, and you really want the tracks in both formats, would in not just make sence for the label to upload the tracks and give them out to anbody who can prove (Online / scanned Reciept??) they have purchased the vinyl, but want to keep it mint...

ashley · Post by **ashley** » Fri Oct 10, 2008 11:51 am

DUH!

I just got it................

stickers on the vinyl...

spencertron · Post by **spencertron** » Fri Oct 10, 2008 11:52 am

Ashley wrote:
Alex-C wrote:
Dom wrote:
pete bubonic wrote:All Soul Motive vinyl releases (as pointed out) have unique download codes to get the mastered MP3's with digital copies of the artwork for you desktop. In fact we deliberately stagger the MP3 releases on sites to encourage and reward people for buying the vinyl.

We will continue to do this and add and expand the service when we come up with new ideas and as long as the service isn't abused.
do you have to print different codes on each record then? is that not very expensive?
Would be easier to add to the reciept.
reciepts can be lost.........but then so can vinyl..........but vinyl doesn't blow away in the wind or look like hundreds of other reciepts and mini statements

probs best lookin at it as a gesture/privilege, and not a right, as it were, so it's down to the buyer to look after and use the code and not lose it (this is based on it being no extra cost to the buyer, which is the whole point i guess)

pete_bubonic · Post by **pete_bubonic** » Fri Oct 10, 2008 7:12 pm

Dom wrote:
pete bubonic wrote:All Soul Motive vinyl releases (as pointed out) have unique download codes to get the mastered MP3's with digital copies of the artwork for you desktop. In fact we deliberately stagger the MP3 releases on sites to encourage and reward people for buying the vinyl.

We will continue to do this and add and expand the service when we come up with new ideas and as long as the service isn't abused.
do you have to print different codes on each record then? is that not very expensive?

I'd rather not go into the specifics on a public board, but we rely on our customers good moral's more than I'd like at the moment!

kay · Post by **kay** » Fri Oct 10, 2008 9:18 pm

Alex-C wrote:And if so - what do you do when you hear a great track that you want to buy, but can't find on any format other than vinyl?

I waited and waited and waited till I couldn't take it anymore. Then I went and bought a turntable.

Dom wrote:do you have to print different codes on each record then? is that not very expensive?

Working for an an inkjet printer development company that has dabbled now and then in that kinda thing for over a decade now, I think I can pretty safely say that it shouldn't be that expensive or difficult to individually code each record these days. It'd probably take more time to stick the stickers on to the records than to print them. Though in fact I'd opt to print the code along with the graphic design bit itself.

It's probably more other background factors that add to the complexity than attaching the unique codes themselves. If indeed there are other issues apart from moral ones.

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