US elections then?

[LEQ]

dave benson phillips to suplex gary glitter in the last round

Hahahaha.

[perkalerk215]

its not right to hate both and all parties. not agree with things they do and then to go out and vote for one of them. im not doing nothing. trust me. anyone that asks about my views on this shit, i unleash it all on em. and i open their minds to some thoughts outside of what they have been fed through the media.

i just dont choose to "exercise my right to vote" because its not even worth the time and energy to go out and vote for someone i have NO fuckin hope in in any way. so i mean....yeah...if someone likes one or the other or another, then by all means go vote. i didnt tell anyone NOT to. and yeah some ppl not able to vote might wish they could...cause yeah it matters. but its not in my hands. i am not the deciding factor. so fuck it.

blah. im done. again. just sayin. there millions of young americans out there going out to there voting. they know SHIT about either candidate. honestly. it was studied and diff polls and diff quizes and interviews with kids going out to vote and they didnt even know what democratic meant. or republican. most of em are just like "obama is the cool one. im voting for him"....or "my dad likes mccain, so i vote for him"...like come on. i refuse to just vote just to vote. if there was someone worthwhile, then id do it. but i cant hope either or any gets into office. im scared to see what happens though. obama wins, i can say i would bet a lot of money on it he will be killed. and not that i hope he is. but theres already a ton of shit being discussed. and its just insane. everything is. i wouldnt even doubt mccain would be as well. just bc this election is huge. its a big deal, but its not like i wanna be responsible for either becoming president. they both suck. end of story.



we should just call the aliens down. theyd do a better job at this pt!

[nousd]

but its not in my hands.... i am not the deciding factor.
its a big deal, but its not like i wanna be responsible for either becoming president...

I'm copping out,
's all too difficult.
Don't blame me,
won't be my fault.

Then, I can say,
as things unfold,
Oh woe is us,
for what you polled.

end of story.

[Sharmaji]

go barry!

[djshiva]

i can't resist. i'm going as palin the tard to my mate's halloween party on fri.

pics or STFU

as for the US folks not voting, all i will say on the matter is this: if you do not plan to vote, at the very least get off your ass and do SOMETHING (please note: i am not making assumptions as to whether you already do or do not, so don't get pissed at me for talking about this if you are already mother frakin' teresa). organize in your own community. volunteer at a soup kitchen. teach an illiterate adult to read. organize a union at your workplace. fight to stop another strip mall from destroying green space. build a community garden/park. be a part of something bigger than yourself. anything. help to improve something right there, on the ground, where it counts.

because at the end of the day, no one ever said JUST voting solved anything. it's the grassroots where change happens.

that said, it's been THAT MUCH HARDER at the grassroots because of the right wing, rich motherfuckers who have had their fingers in our fucking pie for too long. it's always been easy to say that politicians are all alike, and to a large extent, i agree. but the last 8 years are proof that some motherfuckers are worse than other motherfuckers.

but if you sit there and talk shit about the fuckers at the top being no different, make sure that what you are doing at the bottom is actually something positive, and not just flappin' your gums.

and i will add that, even tho i think this whole system is fucking full of shit, less than 100 years ago, i couldn't even vote. i was (oh whoops...gay...actually still am) a second class citizen. my sisters fought and even died in the process to be a part of a governing system that (even though they had no say in it) affected them then, and affects me now. for that reason, and that reason alone...i have always voted, and always will.

whoever gets in that fucking white house, it will determine whether women's bodies are theirs, or the property of the state. women are disproportionately poor, disproportionately paid, and to some, less important than a newly formed zygote. once, i would have had absolutely NO voice in fighting that.. my sisters fought so i had a voice. i will use that voice, and i will keep working on the ground level to make sure other women and all people's voices are heard.

so whether you vote in this election or not, please do more than just talk. get up, get out, and get busy. that's where the REAL change happens.

[bellybelle]

always cracks me up in a ha-ha kinda way when people rally against being politically active due to apathy knowing just how hard so many of our ancestors fought and died just for the ability to not give a shit...

women....people of color....non-landowners....etc.


The most patriotic thing you could do in this country is vote. Lets face it....as many people talk shit about what the candidates are and are not going to do, citizens are doing it from the comfort of their living rooms. The only way they're feeling it is if they can't drink *as much* when they go out to party or they can't buy that new pair of shoes like they always wanted or that newest SUV. People like to get "angry" about theoretical problems they don't have and then dismiss the politicians involved as just being part of the status quo....without seeming to realize that their status quo is the main reason political corruption persists...

Something like what...60-65% of Americans don't vote. I'm sure every single one of them have all these crappy things to say about the gub'mint. I'm sure every single one thinks their vote doesn't count so why bother. Do you see that? 60-65% of Americans think their vote won't do anything to fix....and if those 60-65% of Americans could just get over their self-righteousness and go vote, there'd be a 60-65% difference in how politics are run...

60-65% of people who don't seem to care as long as there still is a "them" they're grateful they aren't part of.

Americans and voting always pisses me off. Our country goes and starts wars for some dream of democracy that their own constituents can't be bothered with. Its pathetic.

If you don't want to vote, then thats on you. But don't justify the decision because all it is is shirking on your civic duty to be a responsible citizen. You can call it what you like (incidentally there are more than 2 candidates on the ballot and if you honestly don't like the two main parties choices, choose a lesser known one that fits--unless you really just don't give a shit); its being a less than responsible citizen. Its taking a nice piss on all those who protested and picketed and rallied in the streets before you were even born. All the groundwork laid for the future generations to become dismissive and take it for granted. Americans have grown complacent--want to enjoy the right to bitch and appear aware but also to exercise the right to not do a goddamn thing other than serve their self-interests. And so many wonder why their vote doesn't count.

It doesn't count because you disqualify yourself before you even start. You can blame it on everything else in the world--unless one of those things physically prevent you from being part of the process, the onus is on you. I'm tired of making nice and making people feel comfortable about being lazy citizens. Lazy citizens are more than half the reason corruption persists. Not the politicians--they only do what we let them. If they're elected because you didn't bother to vote and guarantee they weren't, guess what? You've basically "voted" for that candidate. Kudos to you. And since so many of us are more satisfied blaming them instead of getting off our asses, we're the biggest culprits in the "Pass the Buck" game. To those people who don't vote, every single goddamned policy that goes through that you don't appreciate in the next 4 years, just shut up because by being passive, you've basically asked for that.

[the decoy]

Believe me no one is going to solve anything by taking to the streets if McCain wins this election through fraud..

its called Martial Law - congress was threatened with it when they had to decide on the Bailout vote.

the US military has been steadily equiping itself to deal with unrest here in the states - going so far as actually carrying out practice exercises in Seattle streets.. (elsewhere too?)

and they have this fucking crowd control vehicle that emits microwaves. fuck. that. I'll move to the mountains before I take to the streets - thats exactly what they're expecting.. then it gives THEM even further legitimization to keep a tight rope on the people, because after all, "they're running wild in the streets" .. Government control is not needed if you can control yourself.


This article is brilliant - and sums up the boggling complexity of this crucial juncture in history:

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php? ... &aid=10697

Microwaves? wft? They are going to cook people?

the funny part is they call it an "active denial system". What a hilarious name!

here is a vid:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgG45Lvhow0

[relaks]

my prediction:

1 McCain wins in 'massive comeback'

2 there is discussion of the election being stolen

3 everyone forgets about it and we prance down essentially the same path we've been on.

[djshiva]

3 everyone forgets about it and we prance down essentially the same path we've been on.

i don't think so.

[relaks]

so your step 3 in my completely hypothetical situation is what then?

[noesis]

I could totally see the "massive comeback" thing happening though.

[umkhontowesizwe]

especially with this thing about obama's aunt coming out.

i still think he will win though. and once he has, and nothing changes, i'll be able to say a smug 'told you so' to all the people that have been evangelizing about him.

[djshiva]

so your step 3 in my completely hypothetical situation is what then?

i think people are gonna be royally pissed if this election is stolen. and i don't think ANYONE is just gonna forget and go back to normal. there really isn't any normal right now. people are suffering, and things are getting more fucked by the day.

regardless of what happens, those of us at the grassroots level are gonna have to work even harder to deal with a raving maniac and a religious wackadoodle in charge.

[relaks]

I would not describe John McCain as a 'Raving Maniac', I would, however, describe him as 'hungry for power'.

Religious Wackadoodle is fine for palin though.

Or were you referring to Obama and Biden?

[relaks]

also, people got 'royally pissed' in the last TWO elections. Something more than 'royally pissed' would need to happen.

People have always suffered. What americans are angry about is a small amount of change that has occurred. Our suffering is only magnified by our wildly irresponsible media and our MIC.

If people are angry with the outcome of the elections (whatever they will be) a large amount of change would need to take place. Grassroots action would not be enough.

The problem is no one knows what that is.

[djshiva]

I would not describe John McCain as a 'Raving Maniac', I would, however, describe him as 'hungry for power'.

Religious Wackadoodle is fine for palin though.

Or were you referring to Obama and Biden?

perhaps an unfortunate choice of words on my part, but mccain has seemed pretty addled and weird lately. let me retract that and explain.

anyone who addresses a crowd of supporters as "my fellow prisoners", is pretty "off" in my book. perhaps just a guy suffering from untreated PTSD is more of an apt description, though. even his wife admitted in an interview that he had never sought therapy or help after being held as a P.O.W. he "dealt with it". not only a frightening prospect, but a seriously fucked up example for all the soldiers suffering from untreated PTSD, who think they should just "deal with it" on their own.

i wanna know where (or when) he was in his head when he said that shit.

but beyond that, the guy just seems like a short-fused, kinda confused old guy at this point. i read an interview with him from 10 years ago, and even tho i don't think he was EVER mavericky, he at least sounded coherent then. now? not so much. so perhaps "unstable, addled old man" is a better (and less overtly inflammatory) description.

also, people got 'royally pissed' in the last TWO elections. Something more than 'royally pissed' would need to happen.

People have always suffered. What americans are angry about is a small amount of change that has occurred. Our suffering is only magnified by our wildly irresponsible media and our MIC.

If people are angry with the outcome of the elections (whatever they will be) a large amount of change would need to take place. Grassroots action would not be enough.

The problem is no one knows what that is.

maybe true, but grassroots action has always been the driving force behind change. always. so aside from working my ass off to keep mccain out of office, i will be doing the same work i have always done, just more of it. even if obama gets in, that's what has to happen. we can't rely on these fuckers to do shit. we have to MAKE them do it, and do what we can at the roots to deal with realities there.

forgive me for not being particularly eloquent today. i am tired as fuck and suffering from the 72 hour freakout at the moment.

[relaks]

for the record, I don't support either of the presidential candidates.

I kind of liek who obama seems to be now.

I kind of liked mccain 8-9 years ago when I'd read up on him

I don't like either enough.

[djshiva]

for the record, I don't support either of the presidential candidates.

I kind of liek who obama seems to be now.

I kind of liked mccain 8-9 years ago when I'd read up on him

I don't like either enough.

so what's yer take on both of em?

[noesis]

especially with this thing about obama's aunt coming out.

I agree that it was certainly an attempt, but I donno if the aunt thing was that great of an outing... I mean, how many of us really know our aunts that well anyways? And even if we do, do we have control over who they are? I mean, to me that was more of a statement that McCain's party isn't "in tune" with real people... he is in tune with rich people with families held together versus the majority of people who don't really have that close of a family where we'd know all about our aunt.

I don't know, maybe people don't read into it that much. That's kind of how I took it though.

[djshiva]

especially with this thing about obama's aunt coming out.

I agree that it was certainly an attempt, but I donno if the aunt thing was that great of an outing... I mean, how many of us really know our aunts that well anyways? And even if we do, do we have control over who they are? I mean, to me that was more of a statement that McCain's party isn't "in tune" with real people... he is in tune with rich people with families held together versus the majority of people who don't really have that close of a family where we'd know all about our aunt.

I don't know, maybe people don't read into it that much. That's kind of how I took it though.

also, the high ups in mccain's party aren't the kind of people whose relatives might be poor, and have to seek asylum in another country.