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Post by metalboxproducts » Tue Aug 15, 2006 9:22 pm

Spaceboy wrote:debating the existence of God is the most futile thing you can do to yourself. Infact this would be a never ending post...long after dubstep has died...

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We've had this topic before. and i think the same people participated. Not the best place to disscuss this topic imo. It would be far better to discuss it face to face...... Now who wants a fight....
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Post by obiwan » Tue Aug 15, 2006 10:25 pm

ebles420 wrote:It does seem pretty strange that certain people are so willing to point out the minor holes in evolutionary theory, and yet cite things such as the Bible or Q'ran (ancient and medieval texts from a time in history when we thought that the earth was flat, etc) as 'evidence' for their beliefs.
There is absolutely no evidence that anyone has ever thought that the earth is flat, (apart from Terry Pratchett, and he was right.)
and you can't prove me otherwise
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I thought this thread was going to be about someone donating me a new sequencer instead of reason 2.5 but oh well.
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Post by obiwan » Tue Aug 15, 2006 10:32 pm

Spaceboy wrote:its' funny how america a bastion for modern thinking, science and development, is such a fervernt supporter of religion.
Name one useful American invention, belief system or way of living, hmmm :| ........................................................................................................................................................................................................................................
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Post by spaceboy » Tue Aug 15, 2006 11:09 pm

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Post by shonky » Tue Aug 15, 2006 11:41 pm

Spaceboy wrote:capitalism
Yeah, you're right, should thank em for that (even though being a greedy shit was around for some time before that). Everyone's a winner on that one
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Post by ebles420 » Wed Aug 16, 2006 8:50 am

obIwan wrote:There is absolutely no evidence that anyone has ever thought that the earth is flat, (apart from Terry Pratchett, and he was right.)
Pretty sure I've heard talk of that one...
Ok, bad example maybe. How about a time when the idea of the geocentric universe was the status quo.
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Post by spaceboy » Wed Aug 16, 2006 9:33 am

ebles420 wrote:
obIwan wrote:There is absolutely no evidence that anyone has ever thought that the earth is flat, (apart from Terry Pratchett, and he was right.)
Pretty sure I've heard talk of that one...
Ok, bad example maybe. How about a time when the idea of the geocentric universe was the status quo.
Better?
columbus did innit. fuckin melon
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Post by ebles420 » Wed Aug 16, 2006 10:07 am

Spaceboy wrote:columbus did innit. fuckin melon
What does that mean?

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Post by spaceboy » Wed Aug 16, 2006 10:24 am

he thought the world was flat old boy
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If we confuse the kids enough they'll be forced to think.

Post by masstronaut » Wed Aug 16, 2006 10:29 am

From New Scientist:

"Maybe our universe isn't real. Yale Philosopher Nick Bostrum has claimed that we are probably living inside a computer simulation. Assuming it ever becomes possible to simulate consciousness, then presumably future civilisations would try it, probably many times over. Most perceived universes would be simulated ones - so chances are we are in one of them. In that case, perhaps all those cosmological oddities such as dark matter and dark energy are simply patches, stuck on to cover up early inconsistencies in our simulation."


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Post by ebles420 » Wed Aug 16, 2006 10:36 am

Spaceboy wrote:he thought the world was flat old boy
so we agree then.... someone thought the world was round.
how does that make me a melon?

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Re: If we confuse the kids enough they'll be forced to think

Post by shonky » Wed Aug 16, 2006 10:41 am

masstronaut wrote:From New Scientist:

"Maybe our universe isn't real. Yale Philosopher Nick Bostrum has claimed that we are probably living inside a computer simulation. Assuming it ever becomes possible to simulate consciousness, then presumably future civilisations would try it, probably many times over. Most perceived universes would be simulated ones - so chances are we are in one of them. In that case, perhaps all those cosmological oddities such as dark matter and dark energy are simply patches, stuck on to cover up early inconsistencies in our simulation."


http://www.newscientistspace.com/popupa ... n163#faq10
Someone's watched the matrix a few too many times - philosophy's an art not a science. Reminds me of that bit in Animal House where they're very stoned and talking about how there's universes within the atoms of their fingernails
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Post by masstronaut » Wed Aug 16, 2006 10:55 am

I thought it was funny. I think he's done all the legwork though - mathematical analysis to show that it is more likely than not that we are living in a simulation :D

I say bring it on. If the original point of your post was that kids are growing up believing a load of dangerous old nonsense then the more options the better. More chance that people will have to think for themselves.

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Re: If we confuse the kids enough they'll be forced to think

Post by joseph-j » Wed Aug 16, 2006 10:57 am

masstronaut wrote:From New Scientist:

"Maybe our universe isn't real. Yale Philosopher Nick Bostrum has claimed that we are probably living inside a computer simulation. Assuming it ever becomes possible to simulate consciousness, then presumably future civilisations would try it, probably many times over. Most perceived universes would be simulated ones - so chances are we are in one of them. In that case, perhaps all those cosmological oddities such as dark matter and dark energy are simply patches, stuck on to cover up early inconsistencies in our simulation."


http://www.newscientistspace.com/popupa ... n163#faq10
I've read this guy's stuff before, its BS. He has some amazing ideas, but his math doesn't add up. Its all arbitary (sp?).

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Post by ebles420 » Wed Aug 16, 2006 10:58 am

masstronaut wrote:I thought it was funny. I think he's done all the legwork though - mathematical analysis to show that it is more likely than not that we are living in a simulation :D

I say bring it on. If the original point of your post was that kids are growing up believing a load of dangerous old nonsense then the more options the better. More chance that people will have to think for themselves.
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Post by spaceboy » Wed Aug 16, 2006 11:14 am

ebles420 wrote:
Spaceboy wrote:he thought the world was flat old boy
so we agree then.... someone thought the world was round.
how does that make me a melon?
columbus is the melon, not yourself.
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Post by obiwan » Wed Aug 16, 2006 12:30 pm

Columbus didn't think the world was flat! he was trying to go around it to get a different route to India which is what he thought America was, impossible to do if he thought it was flat, and anyway, if it was flat what would have been the point, he would have fallen off the edge with his crew and never get to report it, bit of a suicide mission? I feel like a primary school teacher sometimes :roll:
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Post by obiwan » Wed Aug 16, 2006 12:41 pm

Columbus was a cock though, may he rot in hell
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Post by spaceboy » Wed Aug 16, 2006 1:02 pm

hell doesnt exist tho does it. lolol
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Post by shonky » Wed Aug 16, 2006 1:05 pm

Spaceboy wrote:hell doesnt exist tho does it. lolol
You not been to Bognor I guess
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