No subs, no point?

[signus]

Sex without sub is like Dubstep without genitals.

[bedward]

saying it's completely pointless without subs is just a diss to the producers.
if they only wanted sub, there'd be nothing to stop them building tunes like that.
as it is, there's some pretty tasty stuff going on upstairs in a lot of tunes, which is fortunate really.

but then the music is lead by the lows so subless dubstep is a little like playing folk music with no mid-range.
it's better than nothing, there is music playing, but the crux of the message is likely to be missing.

and i suppose it can be difficult to respect anyone's opinions about / reactions to dubstep who hasn't heard it on a proper, heavy, invasive rig.
you need to know how it feels. (who feels it knows it)

lo-fi is just economics tho innit.
first u get the money, then u get the venue, then u get the sound, then u get the power.
or learn to build, possibly cheaper if yr clever about it.

[mumble]

Dubstep without sub is like sex without genitals.

Word

[kani]

subs crucial indeed..

its almost a disservice to the producers by playing out sans subs.
faithful representation or go home, keep the genre exceptional and people will respond exceptionally.

[bedward]

Dubstep without sub is like sex without genitals.

Word

don't forget the rims.

[teqh]

Yeh there is good bass on some headphones but that's just the tip of the iceberg for dubstep, I think I could respect the opinion of someone who has only heard of dubstep on a laptop or whatever, because deep down I know that when they do end up at a night with a sub rattling their bones they will wake up

[bedward]

Yeh there is good bass on some headphones but that's just the tip of the iceberg for dubstep, I think I could respect the opinion of someone who has only heard of dubstep on a laptop or whatever, because deep down I know that when they do end up at a night with a sub rattling their bones they will wake up

and that's when they will have an opinion/reaction born of experience.

btw: no headphones i know of can make yr nostrils wobble.
let alone yr chest or hip bones.
ears only pick up so much.

[teqh]

Yeye i was referring to a few posts above, I don't think I could handle my nose wobbling on the bus

[lomax]

what clubs dont have subs?

unfortunately, some.

to all club owners... if you don't have a sub u are a tnuc and a failure.

[bedward]

bus got it's own wobble.
plenty subs.
wrong bleedin tempo tho innit.
sounds like ruddy ambient industrial saahndscapes innit.
take it back to the garage, son, it needs some swing.

[teqh]

At least the noise cuts out any tnuc blasting soulja boy out of their phone at the back of the bus, id rather let my ears bleed

[ST100]

the reason dubstep gets a bad rep from alot of kids is because they play it through their shitty computer speakers.



sub is vital

i listen to dubstep on my laptop speaks if i have to

subs are crucial!

[whitelight]

One of my friend had to manage to play a small set with no Sub at a Halloween party. I was very excited that I would be able to get some of my friends to finally see what Dubstep is.....

Was completely let down....

Playing Dubstep without subs sucks, especially if there is newcomers listening: then won't find anything special to Dubstep and won't look more into it.

[psychonaught]

its always done proper in newcastle! we've got 3 spot on rigs (>8k badman subs biz)

can't imagine it any other way! its part of dubstep culture i think. nights definately wouldn't be the same with out a massive rig.

[fixation]

playing with no subs does sound shit, most of the time, but if you dont have access to any, and have heard dubstep on a system, you can sort of still 'imagine the bass' and how it will feel, at least i do when i listen to it in the car o anywhere without a sub.

[gargamale]

One of my friend had to manage to play a small set with no Sub at a Halloween party. I was very excited that I would be able to get some of my friends to finally see what Dubstep is.....

Was completely let down....

Playing Dubstep without subs sucks, especially if there is newcomers listening: then won't find anything special to Dubstep and won't look more into it.

This is false. I spun as DJ Jack Pink on October 28th at a local bar. I played primarily dubstep in addition to the bellydance music that the dancers I was spinning for wanted. I live in a small Indiana town and no one in the bar had heard any dubstep before (I played primarily Stenchman, Vex'd, Distance, Ekaros, and Vaccine). I got many compliments after the show asking me what I played and where it was from. Plenty of people found this special and interesting and all I had to use was a Behringer KX1200 P.A. and a set of M-Audio MX5a's.

Yes, a sub is preferred, but people can see the merit in this genre without it, even newcomers.

[dubsteptim]

The last straw for me was playing out at a spot whose "sound-system" was the 1 blown Mackie sitting behind me that doubled as my monitor and the "sound-system". Poorly placed monitors or lack there of is another rant I could go on about. I don't know how it is in other countries/cities but in my experience I'd say setups are good about 1 out of every 5 places I play.
Some of my favorites are playing on tables 3 feet off the ground, bad monitor situations, and not being able to see the f'ing mixer.

was this upstairs at rock & roll????

[whighzeguy]

No but that did suck too, I forgot about that place. They actually had a decent monitor but the 1 PA placed randomly 15 feet above the dance floor was a real head scratcher. The place I'm talking about is in Bmore but I'll leave it nameless. I'm sure you can guess. The worst setup in D.C. was at Avenue. They had a Rane mixer that must have been made in the 70's. There were no EQs and the gain was basically a knob with 5 different spots that you could click into. low, medium-low, medium, medium-high, & high. WEAK! They also had their montiors setup for Yao-Ming. It blew my mind that such a nice spot that does so much business has no regard for what their DJs are using.

The last straw for me was playing out at a spot whose "sound-system" was the 1 blown Mackie sitting behind me that doubled as my monitor and the "sound-system". Poorly placed monitors or lack there of is another rant I could go on about. I don't know how it is in other countries/cities but in my experience I'd say setups are good about 1 out of every 5 places I play.
Some of my favorites are playing on tables 3 feet off the ground, bad monitor situations, and not being able to see the f'ing mixer.

was this upstairs at rock & roll????

[whighzeguy]

I really want to get down to Georgetown to get with y'all at Dirt soon.
Kyril said you guys are doing it right down there. I need to get my wacky employment situation under control and then I'll get at you.

Me and you have had this talk plenty of times ,Greg...I agree and I don't at the same time...I've played plenty of places w/ lack of subs...still sounded great , and had a great time playing them....

If its a lounge kinda place , or an after hrs kinda vibe ,where people come to relax and chat w/ friends over some drinks...then not having subs isn't a big deal...now if its a club or a massive party ..then sure, you need to have subs and a decent system to play on.....just my 2cents!

[little boh peep]

One of my friend had to manage to play a small set with no Sub at a Halloween party. I was very excited that I would be able to get some of my friends to finally see what Dubstep is.....

Was completely let down....

Playing Dubstep without subs sucks, especially if there is newcomers listening: then won't find anything special to Dubstep and won't look more into it.

This is false. I spun as DJ Jack Pink on October 28th at a local bar. I played primarily dubstep in addition to the bellydance music that the dancers I was spinning for wanted. I live in a small Indiana town and no one in the bar had heard any dubstep before (I played primarily Stenchman, Vex'd, Distance, Ekaros, and Vaccine). I got many compliments after the show asking me what I played and where it was from. Plenty of people found this special and interesting and all I had to use was a Behringer KX1200 P.A. and a set of M-Audio MX5a's.

Yes, a sub is preferred, but people can see the merit in this genre without it, even newcomers.

I have to agree with this. Yes, a large portion of dubstep relies on sub-bass, but that shouldn't be the make-or-break selling point of the genre. It's about the vibe too, what feelings the music evokes. Choose tracks that are interesting for reasons other than being bass-driven if you haven't got a sub handy - it just seems like common DJing sense.