Pro Tools Users..

jackieboi · Post by **jackieboi** » Sat Nov 08, 2008 11:07 am

Right the time has come where i've finally got a bit of spare cash to get some much needed studio gear. I'm pretty good with pro tools as i've worked with it for about 4 years so i'm gona stick with it.

Not really wanting the LE software because of its limitations however i'm not sure whether 7.4 might be a bit better as i've not worked with it before so if anyone thats using it has any feedback thatd be awesome.

Question here is basically i was going to get pro tools m powered 7.4 and just buy a fast track pro soundcard. I'm pretty sure this would work okay but just wanted to see if anyone had any better solutions.

Cheers.

junglist · Post by **junglist** » Sat Nov 08, 2008 5:53 pm

Wait for Pro Tools 8. It has far more stuff with it, and they've nicked some functions from logic and have a better MIDI editor, aswell as some extra synths.

Or an even better option, don't use Pro Tools because it's shite for producing any kind or electronic music and is only good for homophobe. ass indi rock bands. Why the hell would you restict yourself with such a shamlessley overpriced piece of software/hardware that is so limited?

Just my opinion (I have Pro Tools 7.4 LE btw)

Littlefoot · Post by **Littlefoot** » Sat Nov 08, 2008 7:04 pm

M powered if practically LE mate

what limitations mean LE isnt good enough?

justrob · Post by **justrob** » Sun Nov 09, 2008 5:20 pm

Junglist wrote:
Or an even better option, don't use Pro Tools because it's shite for producing any kind or electronic music and is only good for homophobe. ass indi rock bands. Why the hell would you restict yourself with such a shamlessley overpriced piece of software/hardware that is so limited?

Just my opinion (I have Pro Tools 7.4 LE btw)

are you serious?

Littlefoot · Post by **Littlefoot** » Sun Nov 09, 2008 7:35 pm

justrob wrote:
Junglist wrote:
Or an even better option, don't use Pro Tools because it's shite for producing any kind or electronic music and is only good for homophobe. ass indi rock bands. Why the hell would you restict yourself with such a shamlessley overpriced piece of software/hardware that is so limited?

Just my opinion (I have Pro Tools 7.4 LE btw)
are you serious?

junglist · Post by **junglist** » Sun Nov 09, 2008 10:57 pm

justrob wrote:
Junglist wrote:
Or an even better option, don't use Pro Tools because it's shite for producing any kind of electronic music and is only good for homophobe. ass indi rock bands. Why the hell would you restict yourself with such a shamlessley overpriced piece of software/hardware that is so limited?

Just my opinion (I have Pro Tools 7.4 LE btw)
are you serious?

Yes 100%.
Let me break it down for you:

"It's shite for producing any kind of electronic music"
'Electronic' music relys on synths to produce pads, sound effects, basslines ...etc. Pro Tools does not let you use add-on third party synths because they could cause 'instability' to their perfect system.

"homophobe. ass indi rock bands"
They are homophobe. who care more about fashion than music

"Why the hell would you restict yourself"
No support for third party software unless the company in question wants to incorporate their wank iLok system which has no benifit to the music production industry apart from stoping piracy. And stopping me using a keyboard and Mbox and iLok at the same time because my MacBook has 2 USB slots.

"shamlessley overpriced piece of software/hardware"
...I don't think you could argue with this point, unless your a) A rich arsehole who has their head stuck up their own arse. b) You are the CEO of Digi Design and have already memorised a speech arguing how it is sooo... worth the money.

Pro Tools + Recording live band ...yes
Pro Tools + composing a dubstep track ...no.

chili banks · Post by **chili banks** » Sun Nov 09, 2008 11:50 pm

Protools is good for recording. It's ok for TV and Film but for electronic music production it's a poop.

truncated · Post by **truncated** » Mon Nov 10, 2008 2:07 am

vst to rtas wrapper.

http://www.fxpansion.com/index.php?page=15&tab=43

justrob · Post by **justrob** » Mon Nov 10, 2008 3:11 am

Junglist wrote:
justrob wrote:
Junglist wrote:
Or an even better option, don't use Pro Tools because it's shite for producing any kind of electronic music and is only good for homophobe. ass indi rock bands. Why the hell would you restict yourself with such a shamlessley overpriced piece of software/hardware that is so limited?

Just my opinion (I have Pro Tools 7.4 LE btw)
are you serious?
Yes 100%.
Let me break it down for you:

"It's shite for producing any kind of electronic music"
'Electronic' music relys on synths to produce pads, sound effects, basslines ...etc. Pro Tools does not let you use add-on third party synths because they could cause 'instability' to their perfect system.

"homophobe. ass indi rock bands"
They are homophobe. who care more about fashion than music

"Why the hell would you restict yourself"
No support for third party software unless the company in question wants to incorporate their wank iLok system which has no benifit to the music production industry apart from stoping piracy. And stopping me using a keyboard and Mbox and iLok at the same time because my MacBook has 2 USB slots.

"shamlessley overpriced piece of software/hardware"
...I don't think you could argue with this point, unless your a) A rich arsehole who has their head stuck up their own arse. b) You are the CEO of Digi Design and have already memorised a speech arguing how it is sooo... worth the money.

Pro Tools + Recording live band ...yes
Pro Tools + composing a dubstep track ...no.

Pro tools shit for electronic music?

Thats what i use, how many third party synths do you need to produce a track? Plus if you need them that bad, there's a vst to rtas wrapper. but who cares, any synth worth its weight already comes out with rtas as an option. but i guess if you need tons of third party freeware/pirated synths to find the perfect preset pro tools isn't for you.

"homophobe. ass indi rock bands"

sounds like you have some insecurities you need to work out.

"Why the hell would you restict yourself"

I don't know, how many different soundcards do you need to produce music? are you changing monthly? or do you just need one that does the job good.

"shamlessley overpriced piece of software/hardware"

Not really, Yes its more expensive than certain pieces of hardware, but thats what happens when you're buying the one of the number one brands for digital recording. If all you're doing is mixing/producing, you can pick up a pro tools mbox micro for 220, and if you want to record a vocalist, for about the same price you can get a mini that has a mic pre too.

I can understand if someone doesn't like pro tools or simply likes working with another software interface. But saying you can't make electronic music with pro tools is just plain ignorant.

junglist · Post by **junglist** » Mon Nov 10, 2008 6:13 am

"Pro tools shit for electronic music?"

...Yes

"Thats what i use, how many third party synths do you need to produce a track?"

Whoop-de-fucking-do. You use it, it must be great then! And as for how many third party synths do I need... Two synths. And both of them are not supported by Pro Tools.

"sounds like you have some insecurities you need to work out."

...No it sounds like I was working on a track with headphones on in a studio and I could still hear a fucking indi rock 'band' shouting at the top of their voices, while apparently recording an album. And this is through sound proof walls. Also I'm a music izan (spelled backwards) and distate music that is more about fashion han a good sound. AND I HATE SKINNY JEANS!. so if you like indie 'music' your a tnuc.

"I don't know, how many different soundcards do you need to produce music? are you changing monthly? or do you just need one that does the job good."

I was referring to lack of VST support etc, not the ability to use my own external soundcard (which also happen to be cheaper and have more functions/features than the M Box)

"saying you can't make electronic music with pro tools is just plain ignorant."

I never said you can't. I said it is shit for making electronic music...

BTW you might as well not reply because you just got servered!!!!!!!! :miyagi:

truncated · Post by **truncated** » Mon Nov 10, 2008 6:19 am

and yet you choose to ignore the fact that you can use a vst wrapper in pro tools making pro tools no different to any other sequencer.

arguing over sequencers is stupid, always has been and always will be.

no sequencer is rubbish for anything just depends on what you prefer.

junglist · Post by **junglist** » Mon Nov 10, 2008 6:24 am

Truncated wrote:and yet you choose to ignore the fact that you can use a vst wrapper in pro tools making pro tools no different to any other sequencer.

arguing over sequencers is stupid, always has been and always will be.

no sequencer is rubbish for anything just depends on what you prefer.

YOU HAVE TO BUY THE VST WRAP AS AN EXTRA!!!!! (me shouting at your ignorance) why should I do that??????????? When ive already forked out for pro tools????????

does money grow on trees for you people?

or are you fucking retarded?

Pro Tools = more money, less features (in relation to making elecronic music) crap midi sequencer, 90£££ upgrade fro 7.4 - 8... etc

Logic...etc = less money, more features

do the maths and then shut the fuck up because its obvious.

abZ · Post by **abZ** » Mon Nov 10, 2008 6:33 am

Tell us Junglist, what DID protools say about your mum. JEEZ.

truncated · Post by **truncated** » Mon Nov 10, 2008 6:37 am

its 55 quid ok, yeh abit of a cheek you have to buy it but you just spent 300 quid on an overpriced soundcard to have pro tools so you may aswell go the full hog.

and logic doesn't happen to be cheaper if you have to buy the mac along with it!

i agree with you on certain points and i wouldn't recommend using pro tools to strictly make electronic music to anyone but arguing over it is stupid.

pro tools does however have its plus points, i would love to have protools for the end mixing stage of my music, the program is just so simple and the plugins are better than nearly every other sequencer out there even before you buy third party ones.

i can see why avid doesn't include vst, theres a very valid reason for it, ive had so many vst's fuck up on me its un real by having their own propriatry plugin's they can set standards and control to a certain extent the stability of their program, which is essential in most situations pro tools is used.

so to some up, pro tools is a good program, not the best for writing electronic music, but it can be done and vst support can be added for £55, It comes down to personal preference and arguing otherwise is just silly.

junglist · Post by **junglist** » Mon Nov 10, 2008 6:40 am

^ Yes Pro Tools is a good program if your loaded with cash and want to recording live instruments in a band perhaps. Or do some mastering.

However the fact that the turd above (forget the name) said it was good for electronic music is laughable. it is a good program for some things, terrible for others. including, dur... dubstep production

abZ wrote:Tell us Junglist, what DID protools say about your mum. JEEZ.

nothin . i just love a good debate

lol

Well when someone pokes a bear with a stick. There gonna get attacked. And questioning my hatred of a (imo) sub par overpriced, stuck up it's own arse program... well
\/ :miyagi:

prepare for a tounge lashing!

abZ · Post by **abZ** » Mon Nov 10, 2008 6:43 am

Junglist wrote:
abZ wrote:Tell us Junglist, what DID protools say about your mum. JEEZ.
nothin . i just love a good debate lol

It's all good, it just doesn't seem like the place for it. The thread starter already has his mind made up to work with pro-tools and was just looking for some answers.

mandark · Post by **mandark** » Mon Nov 10, 2008 7:31 am

Junglist is a whiny little ass, but I do agree that Pro Tools is not the best choice for electronic music. I'm sure you can make any kind of music on any kind of equipment, but something like Ableton works miles better for electronica due to the VST support, time-stretching and sampling capabilities, and easy MIDI assignment.
If you've got Pro Tools and really like it then I'm sure you can do loads with it. If you're shopping for software and want to make mostly electronica, there is little point to it and a lot of cash will be wasted. I'm all about doing the most with the least amount of money.

junglist · Post by **junglist** » Mon Nov 10, 2008 9:09 am

mandark wrote:Junglist is a whiny little ass

U wot????

beans · Post by **beans** » Mon Nov 10, 2008 9:41 am

Truncated wrote:pro tools does however have its plus points, i would love to have protools for the end mixing stage of my music, the program is just so simple and the plugins are better than nearly every other sequencer out there even before you buy third party ones.

All about writing in fruity and then mixing down in Pro Tools for me.

legend4ry · Post by **legend4ry** » Mon Nov 10, 2008 9:58 am

Also I'm a music izan (spelled backwards) and distate music that is more about fashion han a good sound. AND I HATE SKINNY JEANS!. so if you like indie 'music' your a tnuc.

Hmm.

But people who try to help but insulting are not? If you don't like something, slag it off in the comfort of your own mind, at least then you won't get peoples backs up who're not in the discussion, some of the greatest music ever made in my opinion is indie.. and it isn't all about skinny jeans and a hair cut, thats just your closed mind & being exposed to, too much music television.

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