Your Thoughts on DSF Sample Competitions?

[alphacat]

It occurred to me last night that maybe a sports playoff format might be a possible approach - where you have pairs of tunes going against each other like the Tune Fight approach, working down until there's only two left... Thunderdome style!
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To be fair, the poll was restarted and the first one had about 35 votes. Still not a lot, and the reason is most likely fatigue

And 7 votes were lost... which, considering the total number of votes both times is kind of a lot.

limiting the amount of participants or paritioning them doesn't seem very fair or practical,

Maybe, but as this board keeps growing in membership is it gonna be any more or less fair when there are, say, 60 entries and 40 votes? If people can't be bothered to even skip through 19 entries, what's going to happen if/when more people participate?

Thanks for taking a look at shuffling tunes Glottis. For what it's worth, even with all this stuff you guys' track kicked some serious bootay.

Just occurred to me that limiting the length of the tracks could make listening less of a chore. Maximum 3 minutes? Enough to develop ideas.

Thought of that too, although in my opinion this is more limiting to creativity than limiting the total number of entries by some impartial method like a lottery or something. Still, anything's worth considering.

re: Incentives like cash or whatever - that'd be fine, but it really is all for the fun of it - at least with me, and apparently most of the other heads here too. It actually might wind up complicating things more also.

re: Only allowing entrants to vote - can't say I like that idea too much, but since this is just a discussion at this point...

I think too much emphasis is being put by some of this being a contest. It's an exercise in seeing how people use things differently.

Again, no arguments that this is first and foremost all about shits & giggles; but why call it a competition then? Why isn't it just a "here's a bunch of samples/everybody remix, post, & that's it" thing?

IMO it is more a comp with oneself ...battle against time and creativity with having a deadline and a samplepack to limit what you can do. ...It's just a bit of fun at the end of the day and sometimes it helps to get those creative juices flowing again, for me anyway, after a stale period.

Yeah, this is definitely true. My producing buddy and I have learned a lot from these - it's made us much better at setting & meeting deadlines, plus when you're messing with someone else's sounds and not your own it's easier to take risks and push things farther than you might with your own "baby," y'know? The Samplepack Competitions are really what keep me coming back to the Production forum time and time again... 'cause it sure ain't the newbie "How do I make a bass that sounds just like Loefah" or "Is there a wobble preset in Logic" posts...


re: Tune Fights - see, these are lean, mean, and no-nonsense... and probably a little easier for non-producer types to get into as well.

[FSTZ1]

It occurred to me last night that maybe a sports playoff format might be a possible approach - where you have pairs of tunes going against each other like the Tune Fight approach, working down until there's only two left... Thunderdome style!

yeah...

misk and I were going to do this with the tune fights...

but we got all A.D.D. on the tune fights

[alphacat]

FSTZ - eh, yer a busy bwoy, we all know this bro. Just remember to take the Ritalin, OK?

Heh.

But seriously, a playoff format - even allowing for wildcard entries - sounds pretty fair to me and doesn't challenge anyone's schedule or attention span.

[spencertron]

FSTZ - eh, yer a busy bwoy, we all know this bro. Just remember to take the Ritalin, OK?

Heh.

But seriously, a playoff format - even allowing for wildcard entries - sounds pretty fair to me and doesn't challenge anyone's schedule or attention span.

The thing i liked about tune fight was it was completely the artists own individual works...completely different tracks...as opposed to sample packs to create something...simple, apple vs orange sometimes...tracks where too different to vote for or compare but that made it all the more interesting. just my thoughts.

[misk]

yeah we did get all ADD on that shit. I'm down. just dont let it take up too much of my time. im a busy man. .....

[FSTZ1]

don't forget your ritalin misk! LOL

[misk]

wait. what? ...

[alphacat]

Don't worry Misk. We got it covered, no worries.

Ritalin milkshakes for all!

Seeing as this forum appears not to have a Moderator, any consensus we arrive at will have to be implemented by peeps participating in the competitions I guess.

Anyone got issues with a playoff format?

[blip]

Somehow I think the playoff would need more, not less organization work and time. How would it work, exactly?

About the tune fights, I think unless you are a bit "established" people will listen to your tune (and vote) even less than in the samplepack competitions of now...

[whoatommy]

Some downside to the playoff format would be:
1. It would be tedious
2. Imagine a good tune vs a really good tune, the good tune would not advance to the next round, even though it could be better than many of the one's that advance in other matchups. Thus not have the opportunity for that "2nd-3rd-etc. best entry" title.

My proposal would be to have 2 rounds of polling. All entries are initially polled. Then the top 4 (or top whatever) vote getters advance to the second poll. This will concentrate more votes to those top 4 songs. And will allow for a less tedious task of having to go through 20+ entries for those that are lazy. This may provoke more listeners to vote as well.

[turfa]

i remember RWD forums had a 16 bar track comp.
every1 submitted 16 bars and someone comiled all of them into a track.

obviusly it would have to be more than 16 bars, maybe 32/64....

but it could work. that way you could hear the main bits of each track, yet get through all of the entrys quickly.

winner has to arrange the next comp etc

[blip]

I would still like to listen to a complete track, even if it has to be a really short one. I had suggested 3 minutes, but could be 2, maybe?

[r]

this is is solved easily.

I also suggest this at the first contest but nobody wanted to listen and now other people get messed up in this contest ^_^

The winner is the jury, the jury picks a winner, the winner makes the new pack the winner is the jury etc. etc. etc.

its kind of dictator thingie but it works the most fastest. And just give a deadline of 3 weeks later. Not 2 months or something

EDIT :

Let everybody upload on the same site and put the links in the mainpost so everybody can checks it out recently.

Also a cool thing to do is make trackpacks of the winners. Like contest 1 till 10 compilation. This is how its done on some hiphop forums. It's the best working formula imo

[legend4ry]

how about this, instead of a sample contest persay....

The winner of the next one makes a pack what is a minimum of 50mb and a max of 150mb (compressed not extracted)....

THen the winner of that makes a new pack (sticking to the same rules) but he has to put in at least 20mb (as long as they used that many sampels) of the processed samples he/she used in the last contest..

Then the people who came 2nd,3rd,4th HAVE to make another tune using this pack new, etc etc..

For first you get 5 points, second 4, 3rd 3, forth 1..

After 4-6 sample packs all votes get added up then we have a 'play offs' where you can only use the packs throughout the sample contest but all the samples are allowed..

Then its tune fights until theres 2 left (hoping theres even numbers) and whoever wins that starts the new 'season' off with a brand new pack?


- tighter deadlines (one week to download, one week to make, one week to vote)

- Themed rounds, like 2step, house, dnb, wobbler, no wobbles.. dancey, dark, mellow

- It to be properly modded so we all have to try and get a regular in here to get mod status

- It to be for fun!!

- People will have to see it out from start - finish to want to have a chance to reach 'play offs'

- it'll improve sample skills

- ive run out of pros

IT'll be the 10th contest so maybe it'll be good to make it a bit more organised?

I'd be happy to keep scores and such..

[blip]

I think the winner should also solve the world's financial problems and include the answer in the next sample pack.

Sorry to be snarky, but don't you think that is WAY too complicated?

[legend4ry]

I think the winner should also solve the world's financial problems and include the answer in the next sample pack.

Sorry to be snarky, but don't you think that is WAY too complicated?

People are moaning its to chaotic - can't win really can ya..

[jolly wailer]

I think yr overshooting your expectations if you expect a beat battle to draw the attention from that many other people besides the producers that entered it themselves.


Its kinda just about getting a little rep in a small circle of peers.

[alphacat]

Its kinda just about getting a little rep in a small circle of peers.

I agree with this statement 100%. The thing is though, like Dubstep in general, the small circle of peers has gotten bigger.

1 Year Ago:
... and Today:

Nobody likes accepting voluntary limitations in the end, and I can understand the resistance to changing the format. If that's how the majority want it - so be it. Consensus rules, always.

Is there any reason why there has to be only one contest at a time, just out of curiosity?

[serox]

I think it would be cool if only the people who enter can vote

[jbird22]

Well every1 seems 2 have some good ideas on how 2 improve this comp.


Ones I like are:-

3 min tracks

Limit 2 10 tracks (possibly we could get say 3 big producers to sift through the entries)

And obviously a shuffle on the player (should have been done time ago).


We shouldn't b scared 2 change things about, keeps things fresh and we'll

be goin on a trail an error basis. If it dont work then sack it.