An enquiry And other people giving way your tunes?

spencertron · Post by **spencertron** » Fri Nov 14, 2008 10:59 pm

anyone know who this is?

http://jajamaru.wordpress.com/2008/10/1 ... pen-again/

they posted a download link to our 'Sleng Teng rhythm 2008' track (which i have now deleted...)...its cool, but we prefer to be the one's that give our tunes away and specifically give them away on DSF..i understand that 320 giveaways are risky in any case...but there's a specific reason why i give 320's away in the way that i do (DJ request in thread> music gets very mild exposure>DJ gets free music>mild, if tedious promoting... )

anyway...is there a way that i can generate individual download links for each person that requests a track (without uploading individually?). And once downloaded, track link expires. (Yes it does then become open for people to then upload themselves once they have downloaded it but that problem is rife for big artists anyway, but there is a little more effort for the user to do this) any ideas for a better way would be appreciated...

(i understand this post wont be popular, dubplate culture and all that and the hypocrisy of using sleng teng and this coming up but still...ho hum)

Regards

Pure Phase

drokkr · Post by **drokkr** » Fri Nov 14, 2008 11:29 pm

personally, i think it was bang out of order that person to redistribute your tracks.
you give people your music in good faith and i have received 320s from you in the past and hope to do so again.
as a producer, i know how much time and effort that can go into a track. so, when somebody asks for a copy, you assume that it is to use for their own enjoyment, put into a mix or drop at club/party. NOT to put on their blog.

i don't understand they they did this. you gave the track to those who wanted it, including the blogger, but why post it on their blog?
is it to hopefully get more hits to massage their ego? or so their can tell their mates, in between games of world of warcraft, how many hits they have received?

i'm sorry that this has changed the way you are going to be doing things in the future. your generosity was gratefully received.

thats my 2 cents.

dave/DROKKR

spencertron · Post by **spencertron** » Fri Nov 14, 2008 11:37 pm

DROKKR wrote:personally, i think it was bang out of order that person to redistribute your tracks.
you give people your music in good faith and i have received 320s from you in the past and hope to do so again.
as a producer, i know how much time and effort that can go into a track. so, when somebody asks for a copy, you assume that it is to use for their own enjoyment, put into a mix or drop at club/party. NOT to put on their blog.

i don't understand they they did this. you gave the track to those who wanted it, including the blogger, but why post it on their blog?
is it to hopefully get more hits to massage their ego? or so their can tell their mates, in between games of world of warcraft, how many hits they have received?

i'm sorry that this has changed the way you are going to be doing things in the future. your generosity was gratefully received.

thats my 2 cents.

dave/DROKKR

cheers...you've helped me clarify..i should be alittle annoyed about this...i do give 320 links in good faith...i guess i have to give a disclaimer with them? some people that give away tunes may feel differently about this.

i have since deleted all 320's that i've given away...so if people haven't picked them up by now, then sorry. but will re-up when i find i better way to distribute tracks i choose to give away to people that ask for them....probs time to get an ithinkmusic account

i'll just also add; it means nothing to us that they have credited us on their blog by way name dropping. a myspace link would suffice

don't get me wrong it's flattering...but when you're not overly ambitious about being large, name droppin dont mean much to us if we're supposed to be grateful.

chrish · Post by **chrish** » Sat Nov 15, 2008 12:32 am

As someone who has received several of your tunes I have to say - that is just plain wrong. Even if it was a free tune, it doesn't give someone else distribution rights without advance consent.

I hope this won't skew your perspective on sharing your tunes too much. I have to believe that most of us are here for the love of the music, and vibes and aren't into it for ego stroking.

Thanks for the music BTW - much appreciated!

-Chris

spencertron · Post by **spencertron** » Sat Nov 15, 2008 12:44 am

ChrisH wrote:As someone who has received several of your tunes I have to say - that is just plain wrong. Even if it was a free tune, it doesn't give someone else distribution rights without advance consent.

I hope this won't skew your perspective on sharing your tunes too much. I have to believe that most of us are here for the love of the music, and vibes and aren't into it for ego stroking.

Thanks for the music BTW - much appreciated!

-Chris

cheers

it has changed how i want to give tunes out now, i think unless our tunes get any interest from labels, i'll just sell em on an ithinkmusic store...our most recent tune 'Rising up like fuck you towers' should be getting a label release, so there's a start

chrish · Post by **chrish** » Sat Nov 15, 2008 1:29 am

spencerTron wrote:
ChrisH wrote:As someone who has received several of your tunes I have to say - that is just plain wrong. Even if it was a free tune, it doesn't give someone else distribution rights without advance consent.

I hope this won't skew your perspective on sharing your tunes too much. I have to believe that most of us are here for the love of the music, and vibes and aren't into it for ego stroking.

Thanks for the music BTW - much appreciated!

-Chris
cheers it has changed how i want to give tunes out now, i think unless our tunes get any interest from labels, i'll just sell em on an ithinkmusic store...our most recent tune 'Rising up like fuck you towers' should be getting a label release, so there's a start

good plan, i'll support you & buy some i'm sure

dj snipaz · Post by **dj snipaz** » Sat Nov 15, 2008 1:36 am

bang out of order
i left them a message

although a lot of people dont realise that this might upset someone to see their track posted up on someone elses site. It seems obvious to people who Produce or DJ but not so much to people who dont have a clue about the scene. They just see it as showing someone the tune and not it the contexed that it is a full 320, and could be used to a DJ's advantage.

Never the less, if they registered on the dubstepforum anyway, they should at least have sent you a message asking you permission to do so. It aint exactly a hard thing to do!

SnipaZ

3rdeye · Post by **3rdeye** » Sat Nov 15, 2008 1:49 am

yeah this is just not right. If i send someone a 320 i clearly request that they keep both the tune and link to themselves... i've had a couple of people ask to forward a track on to other DJ's/radio show hosts, which i've had no problem with at all... it's all about communication and respect for other's intellectual property.

surface_tension · Post by **surface_tension** » Sat Nov 15, 2008 1:50 am

If you post it online, you can reasonably assume that someone is going to share it. That is the nature of free stuff. You promoted it here, obviously... but here is a global entity and stuff gets posted. I have mixes hosted on my server, some of which have gotten like 20,000 hits when posted on other peoples blogs. And hey, more power to them. As long as they aren't posting a leak of a tune, then you should be thankful. You chose a means of promoting yourself, which is within your control. How the public takes that and uses it will be out of your control.

Be glad, I guess I am saying, that the tunes are getting out there(if they are meant to be free). Next time, you could inform that blogger that you have a release coming out(maybe because some label read that post and heard your tune?) you can let them in on it and hit them with a clip for their blog, and a copy of the tune to listen to and keep to themselves. Odds are you'll build a bridge rather than burn one.

I'm not saying reward piracy, but it doesn't sound like what happened here. If I find a tune posted online that isn't specifically for sale or being promo'd, or someone's hustle... I'm prolly going to post it somewhere else too. If I post a tune online, I consider it public property, because it's like your trash at the curb... anyone can go through it.

surface_tension · Post by **surface_tension** » Sat Nov 15, 2008 1:53 am

spencerTron wrote:
DROKKR wrote:personally, i think it was bang out of order that person to redistribute your tracks.
you give people your music in good faith and i have received 320s from you in the past and hope to do so again.
as a producer, i know how much time and effort that can go into a track. so, when somebody asks for a copy, you assume that it is to use for their own enjoyment, put into a mix or drop at club/party. NOT to put on their blog.

i don't understand they they did this. you gave the track to those who wanted it, including the blogger, but why post it on their blog?
is it to hopefully get more hits to massage their ego? or so their can tell their mates, in between games of world of warcraft, how many hits they have received?

i'm sorry that this has changed the way you are going to be doing things in the future. your generosity was gratefully received.

thats my 2 cents.

dave/DROKKR
cheers...you've helped me clarify..i should be alittle annoyed about this...i do give 320 links in good faith...i guess i have to give a disclaimer with them? some people that give away tunes may feel differently about this.

i have since deleted all 320's that i've given away...so if people haven't picked them up by now, then sorry. but will re-up when i find i better way to distribute tracks i choose to give away to people that ask for them....probs time to get an ithinkmusic account

i'll just also add; it means nothing to us that they have credited us on their blog by way name dropping. a myspace link would suffice don't get me wrong it's flattering...but when you're not overly ambitious about being large, name droppin dont mean much to us if we're supposed to be grateful.

And Soundcloud is one of the best ways to distribute and control the flow of your music.

spencertron · Post by **spencertron** » Sat Nov 15, 2008 6:07 am

Surface_Tension wrote:If you post it online, you can reasonably assume that someone is going to share it. That is the nature of free stuff. You promoted it here, obviously... but here is a global entity and stuff gets posted. I have mixes hosted on my server, some of which have gotten like 20,000 hits when posted on other peoples blogs. And hey, more power to them. As long as they aren't posting a leak of a tune, then you should be thankful. You chose a means of promoting yourself, which is within your control. How the public takes that and uses it will be out of your control.

not really, because i don't post links to tunes on DSF...Our 320's go directly those who ask. That is important in this point, i make a specific point about myself personally giving the 320 to the requester...any number of people here can vouch for that...it's a alot different to posting an open link at the start of a thread for any tom dick and harry to take...which is what i think you are referrering to (as you have suggested with mixes)...it's a private communication between DJ or whatever and the artist, you can reasonably expect them to keep that tune...andas for seeing it as good promotion...could care less about being big... when you're not overly ambitious about being large, name droppin us in the blog dont mean much to us if we're supposed to be grateful.

on another note - digidownload sites have freetune giveaways, it doesn;t mean that digital rights and artist rights are waived. (yes it's a different level we're working on but principly the same.)

surface_tension · Post by **surface_tension** » Sat Nov 15, 2008 6:08 am

I read your post incorrectly, that person needs to be slapped with a lawsuit.

spencertron · Post by **spencertron** » Sat Nov 15, 2008 6:10 am

Surface_Tension wrote:I read your post incorrectly, that person needs to be slapped with a lawsuit.

oh come on...not really, no

Citrus Boy · Post by **Citrus Boy** » Sat Nov 15, 2008 8:51 am

well out of order posting links without your permission imho.

Thanks for the 320's last week. sick beats!

hugh · Post by **hugh** » Sat Nov 15, 2008 2:36 pm

not on in my opinion, if someone wants your track they should always ask.

thesis · Post by **thesis** » Sat Nov 15, 2008 3:05 pm

good idea to include a small disclaimer with MP3's that you give away.

When I give out 320's, I do it in a zip file, including a readme that says 'promotional use only - do not redistribute'. And I usually also say in the PM/email, please don't pass on the tune.

It won't stop some people, but at least then they can't say 'well I thought you were giving it away for free anyways...'

spencertron · Post by **spencertron** » Sat Nov 15, 2008 4:28 pm

thesis wrote:good idea to include a small disclaimer with MP3's that you give away.

When I give out 320's, I do it in a zip file, including a readme that says 'promotional use only - do not redistribute'. And I usually also say in the PM/email, please don't pass on the tune.

It won't stop some people, but at least then they can't say 'well I thought you were giving it away for free anyways...'

i guess thats the way forward for my free tunes...i thought it would be 'a given' but clearly it needs to spelt out for people once in a while

keirondrk · Post by **keirondrk** » Sat Nov 15, 2008 7:16 pm

Sorry to hear this mate , it is taking the piss a bit as they are given out personally... it's not like you are supplying open links to the files that must give some indication you don't want your work plastered all over the net for everyone.

I have personally been loving the 320's you sent me, and that's just how they have stayed personal to me.. but very grateful for them as they are bloody brilliant

I hope you manage to sort something out in the future and your great work will still be available to those you choose to hit up...

Sub Shifter · Post by **Sub Shifter** » Sat Nov 15, 2008 7:59 pm

I agree its bad manners, Ive got some guy doing it to me aswell http://www.ragga-jungle.com/topic/6341/ ... bstep-320/ His name is DjZ anybody no him?

djfurness · Post by **djfurness** » Sun Nov 23, 2008 8:49 pm

I wondered why you hadnt sent me your latest track when I pm'ed ya mate as youd sent me all your rest. Im a big fan of your tunes and have been blazing them left, right and centre on mixes and at shows.
I dont understand people sometimes. I was talking about this to Benga a few weeks back, I dont understand why people would want to share something thats pretty exclusive to them.
Im sorry to hear you gotta change the way you share mate, get them up digitally and make people pay a quid anyways, your tunes are too good mate to be given away free to be honest mate, id more than be happy to pay a couple of quid for the quality you been bringing

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