103 bpm half-step swing-beat mania.

[bedward]

i just listened to benga/walsh's spooksville at 33rpm (instead of 45)
and it sounded fucking excellent.

dubstep could be so so slow.

am i tripping (on stout) or did there used to be garage tunes at about that pace (100-105 bpm) occasionally?

[selector.dub.u]

i just listened to benga/walsh's spooksville at 33rpm (instead of 45)
and it sounded fucking excellent.

dubstep could be so so slow.

am i tripping (on stout) or did there used to be garage tunes at about that pace (100-105 bpm) occasionally?

some good stout eh?

So anyway to maybe answer your question. and i could just be trippng as well.
But--
Yeah-Tunes played at the Paradise Garage back in the 80's.
lol

[drbluebeat]

am i tripping (on stout) or did there used to be garage tunes at about that pace (100-105 bpm) occasionally?

Dunno about Garage tunes but I played what came to be called big beat later and most of the big bangers were <100bpm. Tracks like Jah Wobbles "Bomba" (Weatherall remix) are rassclaart jump-up and I think that's about 100bpm.

But yeah because I used to play that tempo and also play D&B at 33 (-6) I automatically checked out Dubstep at 33. Like DnB some works some doesn't.

Aprroximately 1/4 of my record collection is sub 110bpm. Which to a forum full of heads who have come from DnB @ 170bpm to Dubstep @ 140bpm probably doesn't sound like the sort of music that one would dance to!

[bedward]

Aprroximately 1/4 of my record collection is sub 110bpm. Which to a forum full of heads who have come from DnB @ 170bpm to Dubstep @ 140bpm probably doesn't sound like the sort of music that one would dance to!

yeah, i mean, there is loads of dance music at that tempo range, funk for instance, loads of breaks where orig that fast.
plenty of party hiphop as well. (maybe cos of the funk breaks)
r&b, some ragga, belgian new beat, electro, all sorts.

but not much of that is half-step oriented.
so you don't get those massive, voluptuous arcs of tension---and---Booomm that bring out such irrational excitement i can't really explain.

[selector.dub.u]

am i tripping (on stout) or did there used to be garage tunes at about that pace (100-105 bpm) occasionally?

Dunno about Garage tunes but I plyaed what came to be called big beat later and most of the big bangers were <100bpm. Tracks like Jah Wobbles "Bomba" (Weatherall remix) are rassclaart jump-up and I think that's about 100bpm.

But yeah because I used to play that tempo and also play D&B at 33 (-6) I automatically checked out Dubstep at 33. Like DnB some works some doesn't.

Aprroximately 1/4 of my record collection is sub 110bpm. Which to a forum full of heads who have come from DnB @ 170bpm to Dubstep @ 140bpm probably doesn't sound like the sort of music that one would dance to!

I love to dance to beats below 110 bpm. There is alot of dancehall in that range. A good portion of modern hip hop and its hybrids are below 110.
Tons of really good dance music never gets above the 100 bpm range.

BTW- Bedward that was a good question . I Didn't mean to be so flippant in answering the first time. It is true though that there were some tunes played at the Paradise Garage that are in the 100 to 112 bpm range. I have some cassette recordings of sessions there with Larry Levan .
Anyway thats a whole nother topic.

[drbluebeat]

but not much of that is half-step oriented.
so you don't get those massive, voluptuous arcs of tension---and---Booomm that bring out such irrational excitement i can't really explain.

I think the reality is that I still dont really understand the concept of "halfstep" - fortunately this doesn't stop me from dancing like a lunatic to it!

[bedward]

it's not a concept, it's a beat.

how do you know when you're dancing to it?

[drbluebeat]

it's not a concept, it's a beat.

how do you know when you're dancing to it?

Let me try and make it a bit clearer. I understand a typical house 4x 4 beat pattern. I don't understand how you produce Dubstep. I don't really understand, yet, how you arrange Halfstep beats or why creating Halfstep records causes such debate?

How do I kow I am dancing to it? Because I know a lot of tunes that Skream, Mystikz, Loefah produce are Halfstep. And I know I dance like a lunatic to them. Eventually someone will explain it to me or I will watch someone arrange something in Reason.

[bedward]

edit: i posted some crap here and now it's gone.
i didn't like the tone of what i said, and i can't be arsed to paraphrase it now.

[drbluebeat]

edit: i posted some crap here and now it's gone.
i didn't like the tone of what i said, and i can't be arsed to paraphrase it now.

I suspect you were frustrated with my response but thanks anyway

[bedward]

something along those lines.
just my drunken impatience, no need for it.

anyways, about half-step, though i reckon one-step is more literally descriptive, cos it's half of two-step.
instead of Boom-tap-Chow-tap-Boom-tap-Chow-tap,
it's kind of Boom-tap-tap-tap-Chow-tap-tap-tap.
if u listen to some 2-step garage (or even some fastish electro)
and compare the beats to a "typical" recent dubstep tune, it should be clear what the difference is.
not really important to know though, unless maybe yr dj-ing or producing.
hey, u know the one-drop in rocksteady? similar thing.