SUB BASS

rickyrich · Post by **rickyrich** » Thu Dec 11, 2008 11:45 pm

Junglist wrote:Sub wobble would normally be a sine wave at around 40-50 Hz which would repeat the same chords as the mid-range bass wobble. The only difference being that with a sub wobble there is no point in assigning the LFO to a low pass filter because the sound is too low for any difference to be heard so it is assigned to volume instead.
This is the average thing done and not set in stone.

this sounds like the way forward but when you say assign the LFO to volume do you mean assign it to the master synth volume? Then move the volume up and down? Sorry I don't quite get it. I guess I mean - what volume do you assign the LFO to? Sorry, I know it's a silly question but I need clarification.

beerz · Post by **beerz** » Fri Dec 12, 2008 12:06 am

rickyrich wrote:
Junglist wrote:Sub wobble would normally be a sine wave at around 40-50 Hz which would repeat the same chords as the mid-range bass wobble. The only difference being that with a sub wobble there is no point in assigning the LFO to a low pass filter because the sound is too low for any difference to be heard so it is assigned to volume instead.
This is the average thing done and not set in stone.
this sounds like the way forward but when you say assign the LFO to volume do you mean assign it to the master synth volume? Then move the volume up and down? Sorry I don't quite get it. I guess I mean - what volume do you assign the LFO to? Sorry, I know it's a silly question but I need clarification.

ye synth volume...the sub has no frequencies to wobble between as its just one frequency...the volume going up and down at a set rate is the best to do if you want the sub to wobble

rendr · Post by **rendr** » Fri Dec 12, 2008 1:43 am

rickyrich wrote:
Junglist wrote:Sub wobble would normally be a sine wave at around 40-50 Hz which would repeat the same chords as the mid-range bass wobble. The only difference being that with a sub wobble there is no point in assigning the LFO to a low pass filter because the sound is too low for any difference to be heard so it is assigned to volume instead.
This is the average thing done and not set in stone.
this sounds like the way forward but when you say assign the LFO to volume do you mean assign it to the master synth volume? Then move the volume up and down? Sorry I don't quite get it. I guess I mean - what volume do you assign the LFO to? Sorry, I know it's a silly question but I need clarification.

Well if you only have sine waves in your oscillator/s then assign it to the master volume of the synth, but if you have a sine wave on one oscillator and different stuff going going on with the other oscillators then only assign it to the one playing the sine wave.

To sum up:
If you only have sine waves playing in your synth then apply LFO to master volume of the synth.

If you have a sine wave, as well as a sawtooth, square wave etc on other oscillators then only apply it to the oscillator that has the sine wave set.

slothrop · Post by **slothrop** » Fri Dec 12, 2008 2:23 am

Future One wrote:
Dom wrote:are you all tuning your 808 kicks by ear? Im no good at that and cant get my 808 sub in tune.
If you really can't get it right you can always use Antares Autotune or melodyne.

That seems like overkill - surely you could use a plugin guitar tuner (I'm assuming you can get one for free or cheap although I haven't checked) to tweak the fine tuning and get it in tune before you start?

slothrop · Post by **slothrop** » Fri Dec 12, 2008 2:41 am

In fact, yes you can:
http://www.kvraudio.com/get.php?mode=re ... t=1&rpp=15

boyd · Post by **boyd** » Fri Dec 12, 2008 6:36 pm

Can anyone recommend a synth in logic to use for basic sub bass? Just got the program and can't seem to find just a plain sin wave.

Demos · Post by **Demos** » Fri Dec 12, 2008 8:29 pm

boyd wrote:Can anyone recommend a synth in logic to use for basic sub bass? Just got the program and can't seem to find just a plain sin wave.

the ES2 and exs24 both have sine

rendr · Post by **rendr** » Fri Dec 12, 2008 8:41 pm

boyd wrote:Can anyone recommend a synth in logic to use for basic sub bass? Just got the program and can't seem to find just a plain sin wave.

Also if you have a program to record audio from programs (like hyjak) then check out the test oscillator in logic, you can make it sweep from 20khz to 20hz in a second! 120Hz to 40Hz in a second sonds badman! nice for placing at the end of a drop.

deadly_habit · Post by **deadly_habit** » Sat Dec 13, 2008 12:11 am

Slothrop wrote:
Future One wrote:
Dom wrote:are you all tuning your 808 kicks by ear? Im no good at that and cant get my 808 sub in tune.
If you really can't get it right you can always use Antares Autotune or melodyne.
That seems like overkill - surely you could use a plugin guitar tuner (I'm assuming you can get one for free or cheap although I haven't checked) to tweak the fine tuning and get it in tune before you start?

yeah or just get a cheap bass tuner at guitar center or what not (they're always sending me discount cards/free 20 bucks blah blah blah in mail) which can be used for spare cables or shit like this for free
if you are gonna be dealing with vocals alot though take a look at melodyne

step correct · Post by **step correct** » Sat Dec 13, 2008 12:22 am

OK, I have one. I can do pretty cool basslines in Massiv and Albino but they usually don't hit at a sub level. More mid range stuff going on.. I keep hearing that you can actually get just that to hit low without layering a sub. I messed with a bassline on albino for days on end and got it to sound pretty low using EQ and a couple of the sandard effects on Cubase. Is this legit? Is there an easy approach to this? Can someone give me a rundown? I'd much rather be just using one synth for my overall bass as when I layer a sub it always sounds kind of off. I guess in other words I spent a lot of time tweaking a standard wobble in Albino and got it to bump..but kind of can't remember what I did..

deadly_habit · Post by **deadly_habit** » Sat Dec 13, 2008 12:49 am

Step Correct wrote:OK, I have one. I can do pretty cool basslines in Massiv and Albino but they usually don't hit at a sub level. More mid range stuff going on.. I keep hearing that you can actually get just that to hit low without layering a sub. I messed with a bassline on albino for days on end and got it to sound pretty low using EQ and a couple of the sandard effects on Cubase. Is this legit? Is there an easy approach to this? Can someone give me a rundown? I'd much rather be just using one synth for my overall bass as when I layer a sub it always sounds kind of off. I guess in other words I spent a lot of time tweaking a standard wobble in Albino and got it to bump..but kind of can't remember what I did..

one trick i use is to send original sound to a bus and high pass out mids/sub and give a boost in sub range and notch out any conflicting ranges
but if that doesn't do the trick make a clone of orig sound and switch to sin oscs
for an example of a tune i did bus and low end boost with peep
http://dubstepforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=69625
edit: of and send the bus pre faders/fx and cut sub level on mid line

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