Dubstep>>>>>Grime

did · Post by **did** » Mon Dec 15, 2008 11:26 am

Butterz wrote:
DID wrote:grime died, and its body got pissed on by the fact that 'rolex sweep' and 'wearing my rolex' sound EXACTLY the same
are they grime tunes bruv?

obviously not. came from grime tho innit. just shows how badly it died. and the fact they both sound the same just pisses me off

blackdown · Post by **blackdown** » Mon Dec 15, 2008 11:54 am

There's been several incredible releases from the grime scene this year. Ghetto, Trim, Goodz, Dot Rotten have all blown me away this year. People writing the scene off are missing out.

These are my top grime releases of 2008, I'd recommend checking any of them...

1. Dot Rotten: R.I.P. Young Dot [Rotten Riddims]

2. Ghetto and Lewi White: "Commandments"/"Brothers in Arms" [from Freedom of Speech]

3. Ghetto and Rudekid: "Sing For Me" [unreleased]

4. Trim: Soulfood 3 [Soulfood]

5. Wretch 32 [ft. Ghetto and Badness]: "Inna de Ghetto" [Wretch 32]

6. JME: Famous? [Boy Betta Know]

7. Wiley: "Where's My Brother" [unreleased] / "If You're Going Out" [GrimeWave] / "Wearing My Rolex" [Atlantic]

8. Roll Deep: "Night Life" [Roll Deep Recordings]

9. DOK: "The Document Chapter 1" [Aftershock]

10. Scratcha DVA [ft. Badness, Riko, Flowdan and Killa P]: "Bullet A Go Fly" [unreleased]

11. Silverlink [ft. Jammer and Badness]: "The Message Is Love" [No Hats No Hoods]

12. Sway and Lady $tush: "F UR X" [from The Dotted Line mixtape]

13. Ruff Sqwad: "Ruff Sqwad Mandem" [No Hats No Hoods]

14. Doctor and Ny: "Street Soldier" [unreleased]

15. Double S: "From Day" [Always Recordings/True Tiger]

16. Doctor and Cotti: "Calm Down"/"Temperature" [GPP]/[unreleased]

djbmc · Post by **djbmc** » Mon Dec 15, 2008 12:22 pm

Surely "better" depends on who you are. As a DJ, Dubstep has the same emphasis on the bits of music that appeal to me as early Grime did. It's based around the DJ and the dancefloor. Now if i was MC BMC, I would be arguing that Grime>>>>Dubstep.

sofabed · Post by **sofabed** » Mon Dec 15, 2008 12:51 pm

r.demon wrote:i jus think your limited as a producer as to what u can do wit grime... i meen lets face it.. if it aint 8 .. 16... 8... 16 ... and it aint mc friendly.. then jog on..... dubstep on the other hand... set your bpm.. and the world is your oyster

I agree with this. Although i'm not a producer or that clued up about the grime scene but there is certainly alot more you can do with dubstep to sound different from every other producer.

Not dissing grime because i love the hype it brings to a crowd especially mixed with dubstep.

Blackdown wrote:1. Dot Rotten: R.I.P. Young Dot [Rotten Riddims]

Had to point this one out it is a big tune

corpsey · Post by **corpsey** » Mon Dec 15, 2008 1:34 pm

I feel like dubstep was a bit more connected to grime when I first got into it, somehow.

ory · Post by **ory** » Mon Dec 15, 2008 3:35 pm

Corpsey wrote:I feel like dubstep was a bit more connected to grime when I first got into it, somehow.

the sound palette was similar, most notably the the dark, gritty basslines. d1's "crack bong" I think is the best example of that. dubstep lost a bit of that raw feeling in 2006-2007.

faustus · Post by **faustus** » Mon Dec 15, 2008 4:06 pm

sofabed wrote:
Blackdown wrote:1. Dot Rotten: R.I.P. Young Dot [Rotten Riddims]
Had to point this one out it is a big tune

it's not a tune it's a mixtape

spiderman · Post by **spiderman** » Mon Dec 15, 2008 4:28 pm

Ory wrote:
Corpsey wrote:I feel like dubstep was a bit more connected to grime when I first got into it, somehow.
the sound palette was similar, most notably the the dark, gritty basslines. d1's "crack bong" I think is the best example of that. dubstep lost a bit of that raw feeling in 2006-2007.

i dnt think the basslines are the same. dubstep bass went a lot deeper.

the only similarities would of been the raw edge to some of the early grime beats were similar to dubstep at the time. then grime stopped having such raw beats and focus on production, whilst dubstep just got more and more complexed. it lost a bit of its minimal confinement and LFO madness soon followed after.

Littlefoot · Post by **Littlefoot** » Mon Dec 15, 2008 4:44 pm

to me Grime went sour before i even got into it...

I just dont like it when it's taken into a nice studio and recorded all crisp with a major label/some bait culture magazine asking questions in the next room..

the best Grime is very raw, lofi, sometimes shit because of it..

a lot like Punk really.. a genre which also is based on rawness and when that's taken away it's really left limp.

ory · Post by **ory** » Mon Dec 15, 2008 4:49 pm

Joe C wrote:the best Grime is very raw, lofi, sometimes shit because of it..

seconded. nothing beats "pulse eskimo" and the like.

tankomatic · Post by **tankomatic** » Mon Dec 15, 2008 6:00 pm

who cares as long as we can still stick it to the yanks?

grime is great, can't beat the pure energy and flow that some MC's add to both grime and dubstep from time to time....

... if its nasty and has the right vibe then why not?

Get rid of Channel U thats what i'm for

tankomatic · Post by **tankomatic** » Mon Dec 15, 2008 6:25 pm

as long as it burns your nostrils and squints your eyes then rinse it each and every.

i think some pretty smokin' dubstep tunes wouldn't go amiss with a talented MC, shame there isn't that many that impress me a great deal.

People have to try and make money some day though, regardless of whatever clique they are marketing for, nobody can truly stay underground forever unless you are holding it down 9 to 5..... and come on, thats no fun.

corpsey · Post by **corpsey** » Mon Dec 15, 2008 7:14 pm

Ory wrote:
Corpsey wrote:I feel like dubstep was a bit more connected to grime when I first got into it, somehow.
the sound palette was similar, most notably the the dark, gritty basslines. d1's "crack bong" I think is the best example of that. dubstep lost a bit of that raw feeling in 2006-2007.

Yeah you've put your finger on it - its that rawness. Tunes like crack bong rmx used to cry out for a vocal by Riko or Gift or someone IMO

faustus · Post by **faustus** » Mon Dec 15, 2008 7:33 pm

darqwan - said the spider vip === big grime tune.

spiderman · Post by **spiderman** » Mon Dec 15, 2008 7:36 pm

interesting read.

the bit about going to "raves" for music and "clubs" for girls is mostly true, but i think some raves can be an exception..

not that a rave is ever a blatent pulling fest like a bait club night, but given the right ratio's and the right situation u could pull in a rave just as u would in any club night.

the atmospheres are obviously both different, it comes down to personal prefrence i suppose if ur gona pull in a rave. but the point being is that a rave is sick cos of the music, but having lots of girls brings some of the advantages of a "club night" and balances out the crowd and it can only make it better.

its not a major factor to a rave, so the original statement still holds, but you cant deny its a bonus.

spiderman · Post by **spiderman** » Mon Dec 15, 2008 8:00 pm

we would be here forever if we got into a discussion about why grime went sour.

just gotta deal with it really. the result for me is i hardly listen to anymore grime.

deamonds · Post by **deamonds** » Mon Dec 15, 2008 11:48 pm

zodiac label - nuff said

Dubstep>>>>>Grime

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