Dubstep>>>>>Grime

ufo over easy · Post by **ufo over easy** » Tue Dec 16, 2008 3:52 am

http://www.divshare.com/download/6099562-225

thc · Post by **thc** » Tue Dec 16, 2008 4:10 am

UFO over easy wrote:http://www.divshare.com/download/6099562-225

yeh, Tempz is a bad man

missedthebus · Post by **missedthebus** » Tue Dec 16, 2008 2:09 pm

Blackdown wrote:There's been several incredible releases from the grime scene this year.

4. Trim: Soulfood 3 [Soulfood]

13. Ruff Sqwad: "Ruff Sqwad Mandem" [No Hats No Hoods]

16. Doctor and Cotti: "Calm Down"/"Temperature" [GPP]/[unreleased]

YESYES! And goodz... NEED MORE GOODZ!!!!

Id buy more grime, if I could find places that actually sold it! I dont live in LDN so have to buy vinyl online, and its hard to get hold of tunes... ukrecordshop, pretty gash! boomkat, chemicalrecs have some tunes...rarely. Doesn't exactly help promote the scene.

Im a ukhiphop head always have bn always will, but ukhiphop is not what it used to be. saw goodz was on tour with skinnyman recently, and tunes like 'the nature of it' (in my opinion) are bringing fresh fans and styles into grime, just need to be able to get it more easily on wax!!!!!

RSMD, and gemmy bk 2 the future, my fav tunes of 08, hands down.

sigbowls · Post by **sigbowls** » Tue Dec 16, 2008 4:52 pm

someone should do a dubstep/ grime mix becouse its so hard to find

Classic Plastician is dope, I would love a mix with trent razer in it lol

seckle · Post by **seckle** » Tue Dec 16, 2008 6:02 pm

Blackdown wrote: 3. Ghetto and Rudekid: "Sing For Me" [unreleased]

4. Trim: Soulfood 3 [Soulfood]

5. Wretch 32 [ft. Ghetto and Badness]: "Inna de Ghetto" [Wretch 32]

sing for me is a sick beat.

sigbowls · Post by **sigbowls** » Tue Dec 16, 2008 9:39 pm

just listend to the cold blooded promo that was sick

spiderman · Post by **spiderman** » Tue Dec 16, 2008 10:02 pm

d double e on dubstep>>>>>>>>>>>>

as far as an mc ting goes (not talkin about hosts here) d double has THE bars for the hype and flow.

missedthebus · Post by **missedthebus** » Tue Dec 16, 2008 10:22 pm

sub fm atm Wedges XMAS bash in bristol, GULLY

start : stop · Post by **start : stop** » Tue Dec 16, 2008 10:47 pm

As Corpsey said Grime & Dubstep were very much connected in the early stages, early FWD was a mix of the two. DJ Wonder beats had a dubstep edge. IMO Grime was fresh, had raw beats & energy but the quality of the productions were lacking and got repetitive, it faded and now the decent productions around now are not enough to bring it back.

Pistonsbeneath · Post by **Pistonsbeneath** » Wed Dec 17, 2008 12:55 am

why do people need to be so obsessed with labelling everything?

there is still music from genres supposedly dead 10 years ago and this iss because music never dies.....if grime has died why can you get jme, skepta, kano, wiley, dizzee, tinchy, roll deep & others on the high street in zavvi & hmv yet you cant get loads of dubstep still unless more often than not its backed up by tempa....

and why does westwoods show have regular grime artists participating like chipmunk, durrty goodz & bashy???

kids are dumb thats all i agree with but tbh i was dumb when that age and tought listening to somee truly gash choons made me cool...

Pistonsbeneath · Post by **Pistonsbeneath** » Wed Dec 17, 2008 1:16 am

bassface wrote:
Piston wrote:why do people need to be so obsessed with labelling everything?

there is still music from genres supposedly dead 10 years ago and this iss because music never dies.....if grime has died why can you get jme, skepta, kano, wiley, dizzee, tinchy, roll deep & others on the high street in zavvi & hmv yet you cant get loads of dubstep still unless more often than not its backed up by tempa....

and why does westwoods show have regular grime artists participating like chipmunk, durrty goodz & bashy???

kids are dumb thats all i agree with but tbh i was dumb when that age and tought listening to somee truly gash choons made me cool...
Bruv it can be argued that is any of the mc's u just said doing grime imo NOOOO. I don't want 2 buy grime from hmv and zavvi thats what uptown is for and u can get plenty a dubstep cd from there if thts what u wnt. if i wnt a real grime cd i will reach for uptown or maybe jus lock in 2 radio coz hmv and zavvi 'grime' is what the mainstream wants to hear and do they sell do they fuck.

wiley new ting didnt make top 40 says it all. now if they made music for grime heads tht wud b great but they dont. The only grime i will listen 2 is podcasts and radio as it seems thats the only real grime i will hear not sum half arsed electro grime album from wiley in hmv id rather give my money away. and westwoods show is a joke imo who wnts to lock in2 bashy kissing westwoods arse or jammer an skepta sprayin 2 year old bars. logan sama>>>>>>>>>>>>westwood the real grime is being dunn by ppl like cold blooded, slew dem, og's, dot rotten etc who arnt interested in commerch sucess at least for the time being. Bet u wnt see are you dumb 4 in hmv or stryda vs maniac.

we have stryda vs maniac in zavvi (im a manager there) and dot rotten also....

there aint no zavvi conspiracy on what to stock its to do with distribution issues...

but fair play im no grime expert and you clearly know more than me...

why exactly do you think jme isnt making grime just out of interest?

does it need to be 'underground' to be good because if thats how you look at it you can see whatever you want....

its very tough to book grime as a promoter i can tell you as the venues are often reluctant to allow you this and the risk assessment that goes to the police can mean even booking someone with a vague connection to grime is almost impossible...that would explain the events thing...

do you think durrty goodz is shit as well?

mos dan · Post by **mos dan** » Wed Dec 17, 2008 1:19 am

Start : Stop wrote:IMO Grime was fresh, had raw beats & energy but the quality of the productions were lacking and got repetitive, it faded and now the decent productions around now are not enough to bring it back.

which, give or take the odd word, basically sums up my feelings on dubstep.

i'm not sure there are many points worth making here in such an unresolvable debate, but i just wanted to say if you're from oregon or wherever and fancy finding out a bit more about grime, get started by downloading some recent radio sets off www.grimeforum.com or hit up www.grimetapes.com for some classic mp3s.

spiderman · Post by **spiderman** » Wed Dec 17, 2008 2:31 am

bassface wrote:
Piston wrote:
bassface wrote:
Piston wrote:why do people need to be so obsessed with labelling everything?

there is still music from genres supposedly dead 10 years ago and this iss because music never dies.....if grime has died why can you get jme, skepta, kano, wiley, dizzee, tinchy, roll deep & others on the high street in zavvi & hmv yet you cant get loads of dubstep still unless more often than not its backed up by tempa....

and why does westwoods show have regular grime artists participating like chipmunk, durrty goodz & bashy???

kids are dumb thats all i agree with but tbh i was dumb when that age and tought listening to somee truly gash choons made me cool...
Bruv it can be argued that is any of the mc's u just said doing grime imo NOOOO. I don't want 2 buy grime from hmv and zavvi thats what uptown is for and u can get plenty a dubstep cd from there if thts what u wnt. if i wnt a real grime cd i will reach for uptown or maybe jus lock in 2 radio coz hmv and zavvi 'grime' is what the mainstream wants to hear and do they sell do they fuck.

wiley new ting didnt make top 40 says it all. now if they made music for grime heads tht wud b great but they dont. The only grime i will listen 2 is podcasts and radio as it seems thats the only real grime i will hear not sum half arsed electro grime album from wiley in hmv id rather give my money away. and westwoods show is a joke imo who wnts to lock in2 bashy kissing westwoods arse or jammer an skepta sprayin 2 year old bars. logan sama>>>>>>>>>>>>westwood the real grime is being dunn by ppl like cold blooded, slew dem, og's, dot rotten etc who arnt interested in commerch sucess at least for the time being. Bet u wnt see are you dumb 4 in hmv or stryda vs maniac.
we have stryda vs maniac in zavvi (im a manager there) and dot rotten also....

there aint no zavvi conspiracy on what to stock its to do with distribution issues...

but fair play im no grime expert and you clearly know more than me...

why exactly do you think jme isnt making grime just out of interest?

does it need to be 'underground' to be good because if thats how you look at it you can see whatever you want....

its very tough to book grime as a promoter i can tell you as the venues are often reluctant to allow you this and the risk assessment that goes to the police can mean even booking someone with a vague connection to grime is almost impossible...that would explain the events thing...

do you think durrty goodz is shit as well?
Ite kool not looking for an e-war but im not saying to be good u have to be undeground as that will get you no-where. Ive got famous the jme mixtape, album woteva u wna call it and imo its not grime. just my opnion jme from 2004>>>>>>>>>jme now.

Durrty Goodz is good but what has he done since axiom ep fuck all a small set at a sidewinder event mainly for exposing shitty bassline.

In response to the mc booking thing i read on the sidewinder official page that mc's were getting hard to book because they are demanding to much money these days. They have a bit of sucess with a novelty tune, the rolex tunes springs to mind, and get big headed and think they are super stars. I have a friend in Swindon who wnted to book Stryda i think it was and his agent basically said that Stryda would do a p.a for extorshonate money, cant remember figures, and that was basically it.

I hink it all started to go pear shaped when the BBK band wagon amongst people that don't really understand grime started. I have my little sister rolling about in a BBK tee but can she name any other memba of the crew apart from skepta and jme? NO.

I'm all for grime, not for bait hip hop mixtapes, bandwagon followers, electro grime, poor offerings from the so called top boys, ie wiley etc and grime for the mainstream which seems to be coming out all the time.

I prefer the shoddy productions, the shouting and screaming down the mic, clashing, mc's who dont care what there being payed as long as there on this ting, basically grime 2003-2004 the glory days.

As you say grime may bot be dead as ppl said grage was dead but yet EZ still gets bookings etc but its not alive if that makes sense.

i think the phrase ur lookin for is "its lost its spark."

a lot of the people who listen to what is "grime" now dont have a clue where it came from and what it was about.

Dubstep>>>>>Grime

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