Dubstep>>>>>Grime

psematic · Post by **psematic** » Wed Dec 17, 2008 5:54 am

plenty of girls like dubstep!

missedthebus · Post by **missedthebus** » Wed Dec 17, 2008 11:03 am

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=8UdBSxZ06 ... re=related

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=iBDEOw9mn3M

real deal.

what happened to mr wong

dreamizm · Post by **dreamizm** » Wed Dec 17, 2008 11:22 am

Maniac, rapid & rudekid all day.

christafari · Post by **christafari** » Wed Dec 17, 2008 11:23 am

bassface wrote: To cut an essay short i beleive a lott of Dubsteppers came from the Grime scene and imo has over passed Grime and even DnB as the most solid underground genre alive from when Skream, Plastician etc get bookings in Asia, Oz, NZ its alot. I don't see Wiley, Stryder ETC on that ting even though i must admit some grime man are on paper at the mo.

Im from NZ and hav been following dubsteps rise here as close as i possibly. Here there never really was a grime scene so it has been more of a progression from other dance scenes (mainly drum and bass) to dubstep. Im not sure the drum and bass scene is very large in the UK, mainly the producers from there that make it large now do so overseas.

Was a a big drum and bass scene here now but ive recently got put off the new shit thats coming out because ive been more into dubstep and the whole dnb scenes got too hardcore and techy for me. and the rave scenes just a mash fest for the masses.

as far as grime raves here go we've had next to none. and im personnaly gutted about that as i love grime and was lucky enough to see a 17 youth called Koder Kid from the UK tearin up the mic over some local dubstep DJ's. me and my friends were fucking amazed and said we wish we could see more like that here. who knows why we dont. but im just chattin breeze...

christafari · Post by **christafari** » Wed Dec 17, 2008 11:28 am

I forgot to mention...

Just saw Plastician last weekend and i still have an ugly bass face..

been an epic year here for dubstep, weve had

Loefah
Tes la Rok
Cotti
Zed Bias
Distance
Ntype
Chef

forgetting sum.... and looking foward to heavily shitty bass pants over new years eve to Skream and Benga! each and every has been holding it down large for the dubstep scene with local mcs getting thier grime flex on. mash it all together i say. big ups keep. coming over!

butterz · Post by **butterz** » Wed Dec 17, 2008 4:15 pm

bassface wrote:
Piston wrote:
bassface wrote:
Piston wrote:why do people need to be so obsessed with labelling everything?

there is still music from genres supposedly dead 10 years ago and this iss because music never dies.....if grime has died why can you get jme, skepta, kano, wiley, dizzee, tinchy, roll deep & others on the high street in zavvi & hmv yet you cant get loads of dubstep still unless more often than not its backed up by tempa....

and why does westwoods show have regular grime artists participating like chipmunk, durrty goodz & bashy???

kids are dumb thats all i agree with but tbh i was dumb when that age and tought listening to somee truly gash choons made me cool...
Bruv it can be argued that is any of the mc's u just said doing grime imo NOOOO. I don't want 2 buy grime from hmv and zavvi thats what uptown is for and u can get plenty a dubstep cd from there if thts what u wnt. if i wnt a real grime cd i will reach for uptown or maybe jus lock in 2 radio coz hmv and zavvi 'grime' is what the mainstream wants to hear and do they sell do they fuck.

wiley new ting didnt make top 40 says it all. now if they made music for grime heads tht wud b great but they dont. The only grime i will listen 2 is podcasts and radio as it seems thats the only real grime i will hear not sum half arsed electro grime album from wiley in hmv id rather give my money away. and westwoods show is a joke imo who wnts to lock in2 bashy kissing westwoods arse or jammer an skepta sprayin 2 year old bars. logan sama>>>>>>>>>>>>westwood the real grime is being dunn by ppl like cold blooded, slew dem, og's, dot rotten etc who arnt interested in commerch sucess at least for the time being. Bet u wnt see are you dumb 4 in hmv or stryda vs maniac.
we have stryda vs maniac in zavvi (im a manager there) and dot rotten also....

there aint no zavvi conspiracy on what to stock its to do with distribution issues...

but fair play im no grime expert and you clearly know more than me...

why exactly do you think jme isnt making grime just out of interest?

does it need to be 'underground' to be good because if thats how you look at it you can see whatever you want....

its very tough to book grime as a promoter i can tell you as the venues are often reluctant to allow you this and the risk assessment that goes to the police can mean even booking someone with a vague connection to grime is almost impossible...that would explain the events thing...

do you think durrty goodz is shit as well?
Ite kool not looking for an e-war but im not saying to be good u have to be undeground as that will get you no-where. Ive got famous the jme mixtape, album woteva u wna call it and imo its not grime. just my opnion jme from 2004>>>>>>>>>jme now.

Durrty Goodz is good but what has he done since axiom ep fuck all a small set at a sidewinder event mainly for exposing shitty bassline.

In response to the mc booking thing i read on the sidewinder official page that mc's were getting hard to book because they are demanding to much money these days. They have a bit of sucess with a novelty tune, the rolex tunes springs to mind, and get big headed and think they are super stars. I have a friend in Swindon who wnted to book Stryda i think it was and his agent basically said that Stryda would do a p.a for extorshonate money, cant remember figures, and that was basically it.

I hink it all started to go pear shaped when the BBK band wagon amongst people that don't really understand grime started. I have my little sister rolling about in a BBK tee but can she name any other memba of the crew apart from skepta and jme? NO.

I'm all for grime, not for bait hip hop mixtapes, bandwagon followers, electro grime, poor offerings from the so called top boys, ie wiley etc and grime for the mainstream which seems to be coming out all the time.

I prefer the shoddy productions, the shouting and screaming down the mic, clashing, mc's who dont care what there being payed as long as there on this ting, basically grime 2003-2004 the glory days.

As you say grime may bot be dead as ppl said grage was dead but yet EZ still gets bookings etc but its not alive if that makes sense.

Famous? Not Grime. Including production from Plastician, Maniac, Wiley, JME, Virgo and Grime Reaper. Seen.... Last song JME had out was JuJu riddim, also produced by Wiley, also Grime.

The best Grime songs weren't made in 2003, 2004 trust me.

T_macabre · Post by **T_macabre** » Wed Dec 17, 2008 4:32 pm

http://www.dubstepforum.com/viewforum.php?f=2

Macabre Unit radio 1 Oct 2006-
R.Demon on deck
K9, Loq, Brut Kid and N-Do on mic

grime/dubstep? who fucking cares its sick

ammo · Post by **ammo** » Thu Dec 18, 2008 1:12 pm

i remember just thinking dubstep was like a different sub-type of 'grime' or 'uk g' when all these genres were gettin their names (pple were callin it 8 bar etc). i don't really listen to grime much ne more cos i don't c many vinyls out n find it too much about the mc wit negative lyrics.

gotta say the grime scene seems to have 'lost its spark' while dubstep is growing daily imo. but think dubstep is easier for loads of different pple to listen to (rich/poor/black/white/asian) whereas grime has this rep of being really ghetto which puts pple that have got into dubstep later on off.

loved grime back in the day, saw wiley n tinchy stryder play in 2003, still one of the best raves i can remember! shame it's got like this, but grimey dubstep is sick still

all this is just my opinion btw feel like bustin 'snowman' by wiley now lol. lot of interesting comments in this thread tho. personally agree the productions lost that raw edge...

chris t (dj) · Post by **chris t (dj)** » Thu Dec 18, 2008 3:47 pm

http://www.zshare.net/audio/529286252ec36aac/

This thread has achived nothing that we knew already.

sofabed · Post by **sofabed** » Thu Dec 18, 2008 7:19 pm

TNT wrote:http://www.dubstepforum.com/viewforum.php?f=2

Macabre Unit radio 1 Oct 2006-
R.Demon on deck
K9, Loq, Brut Kid and N-Do on mic

grime/dubstep? who fucking cares its sick

And that's why i fucking rate these lot 'cos they mix both dubstep and grime so well. Much respect

blizzardmusic · Post by **blizzardmusic** » Sun Dec 21, 2008 9:51 am

Grime music has slowly faded away due to the forefathers of it making other genres of music and forgetting Grime's existance.

This year, not many Dubstep releases have tickled my ears. Some have, not many at all though. Grime music needs somebody to put the character back in to it.

butterz · Post by **butterz** » Sun Dec 21, 2008 1:10 pm

Ghetts Ft Griminal - Don't Phone Me - J.Clarke
Dva Ft Badness, Riko, Killa P & Flowdan - Bullet A Guh Fly
Ruff Sqwad - Bring Ur Click
Durrty Goodz - Throw Away Thoughts
Tinchy Stryder & Maniac Ft Roachee - Rollin Remix
Wiley - Where's My Brother - Eskibeat
Chipmunk - Beast - Alwayz
Tempa T - Next Hype - Slewdem
Frisco Ft Roadside Geez - Ignorant Rmx - TMT
Boy Better Know - Too Many Man - Boybetterknow
GHETTO / SING 4 ME / J.CLARKE
SILVERLINK FT JAMMER & BADNESS / MESSAGE IS LOVE / NOHATSNOHOODS
JAMMER, FRISCO & TEMPZ / BIG MAN TING / JAH MEK DA WORLD
MANIAC FT CHIPMUNK / MANDEM / AM90
KANO FT WILEY / ANYWHERE WE GO / BPM
WRETCH 32 FT GHETTO & BADNESS / INA DE GHETTO /
Roll Deep - Club 7 - Rolldeep
Bruza- Not Tonite- Aftershock
Bashy Ft Ghetto & J2k - Over Here - Dub
Double S - From Day - Always
Blackdown & Dusk Ft Durrty Goodz - Concrete Streets
P Money - The Grime Scene Pt 1 - Og
Bashy - Kidulthood To Adulthood - Dub
Random Impulse - Masks
Little Nasty - Ufo - N.A.S.T.Y.U.K.
Newham Generals Ft Badness - Merked Again - Dirtee Stank
Skepta - Nokia Charger Wire - Boybetterknow
Nasty Jack Ft Flowdan, Skepta & Teddy Bruckshot - Sky Juice Riddim
Jammer Ft Skepta & Frisco - Skankin Ting - Jah Mek Da World
Skepta Ft Trigga - Dark - Boybetterknow
Skepta - King Of Grime - Boybetterknow
Newham Generals - Move To The Beat - Dirtee Stank
Chipmunk - Mohammed Ali - Alwayz
Badness - Cut Out - Lava Unit
Cell 22 Ft Frisco - Step On Road - Dub
Frisco Ft Bashy, Jme & Black The Ripper - Time Is Right Remix - Fully Grown
Ruff Sqwad - Ruff Sqwad Mandem - Ruff Sqwad
Skepta, Jendor & Killa P / Cricket Bat / Dub
Footsie / It's Foots / Dirtee Stank
The Bug Ft Flowdan / Stampin / Ninjatune
P Money / Don't Jump / Dub
Tempa T / On Dis Ting / Slewdem
Chipmunk / Who Are You / Alwayz
Chipmunk Ft Double S, Ice Kid, Maveric & Griminal - Who Are You Remix
Og's - Get Down - Og
Wiley - Local Lad - Eskibeat

thats juss some of the good grime from this year.

gchrist · Post by **gchrist** » Sun Dec 21, 2008 1:45 pm

The dubstep scene is run by producers and djs that care about music. The grime scene is run by shady roadmen with bad attitudes and fitted caps. That's why grime's getting people nowhere but into knife fights and kebab shop robberies.

selrahc · Post by **selrahc** » Sun Dec 21, 2008 5:24 pm

the only thing i have to add to this thread, aside from the fact that i love grime and definitely don't think its dead, is that jme's recent output (famous + juju riddim) comprises some of the worst, most cringeworthily bad music i have ever heard. it actually infuriates me how bad he is.

"this is jme
for your sacrifice
bring my kfc
and a small large fries"

what. the. fuck. even him just constantly repeating his fucking serious bars would have been better than that shite. don't even get me started on power. it sounds like he's had a stroke and is now unable to say more than 15 words a minute, especially if he wants any of them to rhyme.

on the other hand, if generally speaking, born blessed, grimewave 2, and soulfood 4 all come next year it'll probably be one of the best year's grime has had so far.

Littlefoot · Post by **Littlefoot** » Sun Dec 21, 2008 9:33 pm

Grime was never gonna last realy was it? some scenes by their very nature are self destructive...

nowt wrong with that.

plus all the Grime guys are making bassline or funky now

dubloke · Post by **dubloke** » Sun Dec 21, 2008 10:12 pm

I prefer it when a DJ mixes it up and drops both in a set, plastician is a don at this

abs · Post by **abs** » Sun Dec 21, 2008 10:27 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6waEhbg ... re=related

watch that from 3:10 for the flowdan bit.

HYPE!!!

gchrist · Post by **gchrist** » Mon Dec 22, 2008 2:28 am

bassface wrote:
gchrist wrote:The dubstep scene is run by producers and djs that care about music. The grime scene is run by shady roadmen with bad attitudes and fitted caps. That's why grime's getting people nowhere but into knife fights and kebab shop robberies.
NOOOOOOOOO, u work for the BBC or sum long derkhead sunday paper. Not being funny but if they didnt care about the music i dunt think they would spend time and money for studio hours, mixtapes etc etc etc could go on all day. Some man in grime even go near eniugh bankrupt doing there ting in the studio. But on the other hand u have got the few who are badman roadman's in an out of jail every 2 mins, Chronik springs to mind, but half the time there the 1'z putting out crap anyway.

Read Butturz blog for an insight in2 grime b4 making dumb comments like that. What your saying is on a par with all muslims are terrorists, white men can't dance, jews only care about money etc etc all not true i beleive.

I don't work for the sunday papers. I'm a hip hop producer, and I've worked with many artists and DJs from various dubstep, grime, UKHH, ragga and garage backgrounds and to be honest I know it's a stereotype that we could do without, but that's my experience of it.
Grime cats are often IDIOTS. Not always but OFTEN.

T_macabre · Post by **T_macabre** » Fri Jan 02, 2009 8:43 pm

http://www.dubstepforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=71542

2003 GRIME MIX

intro
corrupted crew- g.a.r.a.g.e [dj narrows remix] (red rose)
youngstar- formula 2 (ddjs)
bigshot- glitch (southside)
dj oddz- gangsta (white)
dizzee rascal- go (dirtee stank white)
jon-e-cash- war vip (blackops white)
slimzee and geeneus- log off (dump valve)
outlaw breaks- nissi (left recordings)
wiley- eskimo 2 (white)
so solid- dilemma 2 (white)
jammer- feedback (white)
danny weed- creeper (white)
dj wonder- 8th wonder (dump valve)
wiley- snowball (white)
bigshot- stomp (southside)
musical mob- pulse y (white)
dizee rascal- i love u (white)
dj wire- believe me remix (white)
roll deep- roll deep regular instrumental (white)
dj wire- the meltdown (white)
alias- heat (white)
musical mob- creeper refix (white)
musical mob- bad bongo (white)
mark one- tribesmen (texture)
end productions- are you really from the ends? [vip remix] (white)
dj narrows- saved soul vip (white)
musical mob- salsa (musical mob royale recordings)
dizzee rascal- hoe (dirtee stank white)
dj oddz- unknown (white)
roll deep/skepta- pulse eskimo

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