kicks & snare placement

Disco Nutter · Post by **Disco Nutter** » Sat Dec 20, 2008 7:36 pm

You search the forum for a topic from the Produciton Bible 2 - Drums.

http://dubstepforum.com/viewtopic.php?p ... ht=#764648

Brisance · Post by **Brisance** » Sat Dec 20, 2008 8:26 pm

place it like you normally would but 2x as slow?

stapleface · Post by **stapleface** » Sat Dec 20, 2008 9:11 pm

check your tempo then
should be roughly between 130-140

Brisance · Post by **Brisance** » Sat Dec 20, 2008 9:14 pm

Have a listen to some other tunes and start getting creative... Just use slower notes..

Disco Nutter · Post by **Disco Nutter** » Sat Dec 20, 2008 9:35 pm

justanotherdj wrote:yea that don't seem to give too many ideas on the actually programming though.

I don't think you've read it... it even has dubstep midi loops there.

rendr · Post by **rendr** » Sun Dec 21, 2008 1:35 am

Me personally...

140 bpm

1/16

Kick on the 1st

Snare on the 3rd (or if it's a particularly chilled song I put the snare on the 4th)

Like this:

K,--,S,--,K,--,S,--,K,--,S,--,K,--,S,--

or this more chilled alternative:

K,--,--S,K,--,--S,K,--,--S,K,--,--S

After that, I add in additional kicks where it sounds right making sure that the placement suits the song (for example a dubstep track similar to Coki's - Spongebob, I would add a kick on every bar, to provide support and movement for the consistent bassline.) Whereas, a chilled track like Cyrus & Random Trio's Bounty, would have the kicks sitting in a rhythmic compact style that uses swing over a longer time period that keeps to the classic formula like this:

K,--,S,--,K,K,S,--,K,--,S,--,K,K,S,--

Of course this is extremely simplified, you shouldn't alway keep your drums quantized, let them sound natural. And experiment. Try layering different kick and snare at different volumes, ghost snares are the Don!

EDIT After reading the question and not just the title, the key to that lush half-speed dubstep drum sound, is not the kicks and snare, but Hi Hat placement and other percussion. The trick is to have 90% of the Hi Hats and other stuf inbetween the kick and snare, and the second gap (between snare and next kick), to be left almost, if not empty.

KICK,-----,-----,-----KICK,-----,-----,-----
------,-----,SNR,-----,-----,-----,SNR,-----
H,--,H,H,H,-,-,-,-,-,-,H,--,H,H,H,-,-,-,-,-,-

(very quick diagram, excluding genuine open & closed hi hats, cymbals etc.)

physical · Post by **physical** » Sun Dec 21, 2008 1:42 am

try (in 4/4) snare on 3, kicks between 1 and 2.5. very generally speaking for a simple beat at 120-140 for dubstep.
ie try kick on 1 and 2.5 and snare on 3 for a really simple beat. add in more kicks to spice it up etc

ketamine · Post by **ketamine** » Sun Dec 21, 2008 7:10 am

Watch the Rusko Producer Masterclass videos. They answered all my questions.

legend4ry · Post by **legend4ry** » Sun Dec 21, 2008 10:06 am

I use the kick on 1 & snare on 3 as a base and build around it...

example...

Brisance · Post by **Brisance** » Sun Dec 21, 2008 1:09 pm

As I told you before place your kicks and snares as you normally would and then slow it down. Here I placed them like in dnb, but 2x slower. Sounds like sex.

you should just be creative.

Because I made that just for the screenshot I thought I might as well bounce it. Dont mind the shitty bitrate and the fact I didn't do any processing to it whatsoever, I just loaded samples and bounced.
http://soundcloud.com/brisance/example

rendr · Post by **rendr** » Sun Dec 21, 2008 8:27 pm

Ketamine wrote:Watch the Rusko Producer Masterclass videos. They answered all my questions.

Can I snort you?

unempty · Post by **unempty** » Sun Dec 21, 2008 11:00 pm

Kick to the chest. Snare to the face. Repeat.

deadly_habit · Post by **deadly_habit** » Sun Dec 21, 2008 11:05 pm

don't forget ghost snares and hits

ketamine · Post by **ketamine** » Sun Dec 21, 2008 11:50 pm

Rendr wrote:
Ketamine wrote:Watch the Rusko Producer Masterclass videos. They answered all my questions.
Can I snort you?

It'll cost ya

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