So if I my master is clipping, do I...

[martello]

I have opposite "problem".

When I'm mixing, i have find that my last mixes are peaking under -12 and so Too much headroom Before bumping up the volume with limiter or compressor, I just increase each channel volume so, that the master channel peaks under -6...-3. Probably could just use limiter only...?

Why bother with a limiter unless you need to do any limiting? Just turn it up if you feel you must.

But as described in the link I put earlier, there's really not any problem at all mixing to peak at -12. Ok, so it is a little on the low side, but it is still using ~22 bits of 24 = 136dB dynamic range, so...

With limiter I can turn it louuuder Without clipping. I just do it when I publish a track to the internet or for radio stations etc. Although radio stations (fm) compress also the sound.

[slothrop]

But there's no reason it should be any different at all Hmm... something smells fishy to me!

You are right. I did a couple of quick tests with adjusting the master volume and it wasn't doing any limiting like I thought. Must have been a plugin or something else on the project I was thinking of because I swear when I would turn the master fader down it was limiting it. Not sure what project it was either to go back and test it, so I'll just pass it off as me being confused

Word on the street (aka google) is that slightly older versions of fruity used to put a limiter on the master bus by default but then they stopped because it was unneccessary and confusing. Ie it was like that in 8.0 but they took it out of 8.03 or something.

[relik]

Word on the street (aka google) is that slightly older versions of fruity used to put a limiter on the master bus by default but then they stopped because it was unneccessary and confusing. Ie it was like that in 8.0 but they took it out of 8.03 or something.

That would make sense then because the project I was referring to where I swear this happened was from an older version. Most likely 6 or 7 because I only upgraded within the last year. Will have to test it out in an older version later tonight and see. Ever since I noticed it happen I just never touched the master volume and developed weird/bad habits around it that I don't need anymore.

I know they have a limiter by default on the master channel starting in 8. I usually take it off or use my own templates, so not sure if that's the same thing others are talking about.

[macc]

Why bother with a limiter unless you need to do any limiting? Just turn it up if you feel you must.

But as described in the link I put earlier, there's really not any problem at all mixing to peak at -12. Ok, so it is a little on the low side, but it is still using ~22 bits of 24 = 136dB dynamic range, so...

With limiter I can turn it louuuder Without clipping. I just do it when I publish a track to the internet or for radio stations etc. Although radio stations (fm) compress also the sound.

So you are doing limiting then

I thought we were talking about dynamic range, headroom and all that. Rather than removal thereof, hehe.

[martello]

Yeah we were, and i was just thinking forward

[thesis]

at my college they say not to touch the master fader during mixing.

good advice I think if the master is clipping, there is too much going in. think about when you've been to a concert/recording studio/band situation, you never see all the track faders left at 100%

its tempting to make things loud from the start. but you really must keep things well below 0.0db for your initial render - you can always make it loud later on, once you have a good clean WAV file. if your basic mixdown is anywhere near clipped, that can't be undone.

summary: be gentle with volume in the early stages!