Wonky!

[rekordah]

i dunno i still think it doesn't have much to do with dilla. you ever listened to most of his stuff? 99% of it doesnt even bare the slighest resemblance to 'wonky'

Yes I am quite the fanboy and own everything he put out, how about you?

Like I said I don't think you can emphasize on Dilla in terms of off-beat rhythm programming as he didn't really do too much of that (Madlib would be a better example). Where I feel Dilla has been a massive influence on the stuff thats been put out recently is in that intangible "vibe" of the music. In many ways he stripped-down Hip-Hop and left a foundation - It sounds hideously pretentious but it could be said that what's been happening with Instrumental Hip-Hop recently is the process of building it up again.

And like I said theres no escaping the massive effect his death had on the world of Instrumental Hip-Hop, and Hip-Hop in general. It really opened peoples eyes to what was out there, and as a result Dilla became this Che Guevara-like cult figure for the scene.

Eitherway, what are you comparing his output to if you are unsure how Wonky is defined??

[rekordah]

Oh and can I just say, I find it very interesting how much the audience for Hip-Hop changes once the MC is taken out of the equation...

[rekordah]

Also how the perception of the music changes when the MC is missing...

[spiderman]

so wot is wonky?

a subgenre of hip hop? a subgenre of dubstep? or isit just a particular sound used amongst many genres.

[diss04]

i dunno i still think it doesn't have much to do with dilla. you ever listened to most of his stuff? 99% of it doesnt even bare the slighest resemblance to 'wonky'

Yes I am quite the fanboy and own everything he put out, how about you?

Like I said I don't think you can emphasize on Dilla in terms of off-beat rhythm programming as he didn't really do too much of that (Madlib would be a better example). Where I feel Dilla has been a massive influence on the stuff thats been put out recently is in that intangible "vibe" of the music. In many ways he stripped-down Hip-Hop and left a foundation - It sounds hideously pretentious but it could be said that what's been happening with Instrumental Hip-Hop recently is the process of building it up again.

And like I said theres no escaping the massive effect his death had on the world of Instrumental Hip-Hop, and Hip-Hop in general. It really opened peoples eyes to what was out there, and as a result Dilla became this Che Guevara-like cult figure for the scene.

Eitherway, what are you comparing his output to if you are unsure how Wonky is defined??

yeah i'm a fanboy too - all about slum village

but i can see the stripped down beats with the off-beat drum patterns but i dont know how that would relate to the bleepy beats of some of these tracks - then again i'm still actually confused as to what exactly the subgenre actually fucking is! lol

[flashharry]

i was chatting to a mate who pointed out that this brandy tune was released in 2002, ('what about us')

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=oNhG0AVS2Gc


and sounds more 'wonky' (if u will) than stuff that.. say ...zomby puts out.

[pollen]

[efa]

Basically Dilla & Madlib (see also the colab project Jaylib = big (Pillz = WTF?)) have both dabbled in Sampling and Beat structuring techniques that has some unquantized hence wonky sounding results - IE the beat almost falls over itself - also this stuff has been referred to as "Post Dilla beat music"

yeah as far as I am aware (or atleast to my ears) this stuff is very much the music of the instrumental hip hop generation post Dilla and Madlib, who are(were ) incredibly talented programmers!

I was merely referring to the origins of the term Wonky Hip Hop and connections to Dilla for Diss in his post above, was used lot a few years ago. The Wonky this thread's on about needs a better name if it needs one at all. Its Instrumental or Electronic Hip-Hop. It also has strong links to Electronica. Come on journalists, must try harder!

In terms of influence and comparision, I wouldn't emphasize too much on the off-beat programming with Dilla to be honest. I feel it's more the fact that he brought a certain vibe and substance to Hip-Hop in an instrumental context. Also, there's no escaping that his death and subsequent rise in popularity has alot to do with the growth and progression of this stuff.

Again this was purely for Diss's benefit but Dilla did Wonk up his loops albeit not as much as Lib, he'll wonk yo ass off for shitz an giggles! Diss has since posted to very much the same effect IE Wonky = shit name, something I think we can agree on... Mmm, Slum Village, adding more of this to my collection!

[diss04]

Basically Dilla & Madlib (see also the colab project Jaylib = big (Pillz = WTF?)) have both dabbled in Sampling and Beat structuring techniques that has some unquantized hence wonky sounding results - IE the beat almost falls over itself - also this stuff has been referred to as "Post Dilla beat music"

yeah as far as I am aware (or atleast to my ears) this stuff is very much the music of the instrumental hip hop generation post Dilla and Madlib, who are(were ) incredibly talented programmers!

I was merely referring to the origins of the term Wonky Hip Hop and connections to Dilla for Diss in his post above, was used lot a few years ago. The Wonky this thread's on about needs a better name if it needs one at all. Its Instrumental or Electronic Hip-Hop. It also has strong links to Electronica. Come on journalists, must try harder!

In terms of influence and comparision, I wouldn't emphasize too much on the off-beat programming with Dilla to be honest. I feel it's more the fact that he brought a certain vibe and substance to Hip-Hop in an instrumental context. Also, there's no escaping that his death and subsequent rise in popularity has alot to do with the growth and progression of this stuff.

Again this was purely for Diss's benefit but Dilla did Wonk up his loops albeit not as much as Lib, he'll wonk yo ass off for shitz an giggles! Diss has since posted to very much the same effect IE Wonky = shit name, something I think we can agree on... Mmm, Slum Village, adding more of this to my collection!

nice one for (mostly) clearing that up EFA and yeah get as much slum village as you can!

[wobbleman]

we are the 4th generation of black dance music as a popular subculture .

WHAT??

[mrbeatnick]

i dunno i still think it doesn't have much to do with dilla. you ever listened to most of his stuff? 99% of it doesnt even bare the slighest resemblance to 'wonky'

Yes I am quite the fanboy and own everything he put out, how about you?

Like I said I don't think you can emphasize on Dilla in terms of off-beat rhythm programming as he didn't really do too much of that (Madlib would be a better example). Where I feel Dilla has been a massive influence on the stuff thats been put out recently is in that intangible "vibe" of the music. In many ways he stripped-down Hip-Hop and left a foundation - It sounds hideously pretentious but it could be said that what's been happening with Instrumental Hip-Hop recently is the process of building it up again.?

as for jaylib though, this much is fact - they did a lot to raise awareness of what "beatmaking" is, which is when you chop up a record on a sampler and make something new out of it that flips the original. so rather like the return of the dj in the late 90s, where hip hop resurrected its love for the dj, these two paved the way for a wider awareness of the importance of the producer in hip hop.

[silkie]

the more explaination the less sense is being made.

[diss04]

the more explaination the less sense is being made.

QFT

[renegatus]

I'm sure boys were playing with SP1200s and the MPC range back in the early-nineties making very 'wonky' hip-hop, similar to the Dilla/Madlib/DOOM/Flylo(ish) sound, but just not releasing it because it sounded too off-beat and hard to follow. It's only since electronic music took a more progressive turn in the general mindset that this sort of stuff was able to hit the airwaves and record stores. It's this blend between contemporary sounds and original techniques that is forming modern hip-hop and spawning new 'sub-genres' in already successful electronic varieties.

[selrahc]

as far as i can see wonky divides into two camps:

instrumental hip hop with unquantized drums, dilla-esque synths, occasional soul samples. (eg flying lotus)

dubsteppy electro tinged funk with razor sharp drums and bonkers synth lines (zomby, joker, rustie)

there don't seem to be that many similarities between, say, a song like roberta flack and one like aquafre5h.

[diss04]

dubsteppy electro tinged funk with razor sharp drums and bonkers synth lines (zomby, joker, rustie).

see i thought that was wonky in a nutshell

and that..

instrumental hip hop with unquantized drums, dilla-esque synths, occasional soul samples. (eg flying lotus)

was like 2step like *urgh* burial

[joelbauta]

Love that brandy tune. Was a lot of super commercial hiphop and rnb at that time made by guys like rodney jenkins, timbaland and neptunes that does have similarities to "wonky" far more than dilla i think. I actually think the whole reason for the problems of defining wonky is that flying lotus for some reason has been included. He shouldnt be

[tru_g]

I'm sure the reason people are having trouble defining wonky as genre is because it isn't one?

I see it as the same sort of word as 'downtempo' which isn't a genre of music but is widely used to describe a wide-range of tunes which are various tempos and genres

[bagelator]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jO2WZYoW9PQ

[bagelator]

dbl pst