plz sign this, to save our raves!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[morg]

IF THE LAW PASSES, IT MEANS THE END OF NIGHTS LIKE THIS! LETS STOP THEM WHILST WE CAN!!!

It seems the government are thinking 'What better way to start the new year, than to take another God given right away from everyone!'.

Yes thats right, the Government are trying pass legislation to force all entertainment venues to have noise control limiters fitted. This means the end of live music, nightclubs etc as we know it! No more oversized collection of speakers, no more massive F1 and Turbo stacks, no more throwing club nights the way we want! I'm sure I'm not speaking for myself when I say that when I go to a club, the last thing on my mind is being able to stand in front of the stack with a cup of tea, chatting about Antiques Roadshow - I wanna actually hear and feel the music the way it should be heard!

Please, please, please, take a minute to sign this petiton. This is just one more thing to add to the list that the Government feel that they should be in control of. It won't take long to sign up, and please hurry as the cut off date is 23rd January! STAND UP, AND BE HEARD!

Please forward this message to all your friends, and if you are part of any other groups, please inform Admin so that they can get the masses involved!

CUT OFF DATE: JANUARY 23rd 2009 !!!

http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/NoNoiseControl/

[juliun_c90]

admins please make this a sticky

[swomp]

Yeah, deffo signing it. But I've heard that the limiters they're putting on it aren't going to make too much difference, I heard the soundsystem in fabric is within the limit...

Correct me if I'm wrong

I think this one is more important to be honest:

http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/Scrapthe696/

[seckle]

please sign!

[pk-]

I had to fit these noise control devices to a lot of venues when I was doing installation work. The impirical evidence cited is inaccurate. It has been the case that the formula sound noise control device has been fitted for a long time. This comes as standard with a linear weighted filter. Because most of these units have been fitted by fire alarm contractor companies, and not people with any acoustics background, this filter issue has not been addressed. Therefore they will cut the power at an unreasonably low level. Local authorities have been using the miscellaneous provisions act and the licensing laws for some years to make this a condition of (primarily) an alcohol license, as legally this gives licensing authorities an obscene amount of leeway (they can pretty much impose any restriction on a license they like in this way already). We made a considerable amount of money going round to venues with EHOs and explaining that the A-weighting filter should be fitted to the noise limiting unit, furthermore most EHOs we encountered didn’t have adequate information on “immediate action” thresholds or knowledge of LeQs. Typically we were able to move the 85dB linear weighted threshold (which is the default setting) up to 90dB(A)- in a bar in a densly populated residential area, with a longer attack time- typically 45 seconds using the argument that on a 10 minute LeQ this would give a decent approximation to exposure limits. We had engaged an acoustician to lend credibility to these arguments, and typically met no resistance from licensing authorities.

This is not, in itself, an unreasonable idea given the requirements of the Noise at Work Act 2005 to prevent harm to staff from excessive noise exposure. Many broadcast centres and some commercial studios already use such devices, without any problems at all.

However, the devil is in the detail and in particular, how the noise exposure is to be assessed and what action values are employed.

For this, we need to see the proposed legislation, not someone's scare-mongering petition that has no facts at all... And any argument is weakened significantly by posting nonsensicial figures such as 70Db.

The NaW 2005 act doesn't apply to punters at gigs, but there is a requirement that the equivalent exposure level in any part of the audience area should not exceed 107dB LAEQ. In practice, measureing exposure levels is tricky and often ambiguous, so most of these kinds of noise control devices measure peak levels, in which case the relevant figure is 140dBC SPL -- and nowhere near the soft whirr of a hair dryer.

However, as I said, the likely argument for imposing the use of such devices is to help protect employees, in which case they would have to be placed in the areas in which employees work (eg bar areas) which may already be quiet areas per the requirements of the NaW act 2005.

The relevant thresholds in this situation are an exposure level of 85dB LAEQ, or a peak level of 137dBC SPL. Again, Nothing remotely like 70dB SPL.

Whilst some venues might already use peak level detectors of some kind, and might have them set stupidly low for some reason, if the Govenment is going to make their use mandatory then the thresholds would have to comply with the appropriate existing legislation, as laid out above.

So, the petition is essentially scare-mongering without any relevant facts, and I would suggest should be disregarded. Perhaps if someone can dig out the true facts then we can see if there really is some valid reason for concern and then act appropriately to influence the Govermnets decision making.... But as posted, the original claim here is nonsense.

http://www.speakerplans.com/FORUM/forum ... 22872&PN=2

INTERNET!

[dawntreader]

signed
save rave

[|nipsy|]

signed

[nacho]

signed

[defoxster]

Signed... Limiters are a fuckin nightmare more hassle. As if u dont have enoght puttin a night on hoping all the acts show up etc then u gotta b careful they dont turn it up etc!!

[missedthebus]

signed and BUMP!

im dubious whether these e petitions even make a difference.... signed anway.

[djrodan]

which govt?

i sign

[muteqx]

Signed, not that it will make any difference.

DJ Rodan above: The UK government.