Is this subforum necessary?

badger · Post by **badger** » Fri Jan 16, 2009 1:06 pm

that can only be a good thing mate. get cracking

richb · Post by **richb** » Fri Jan 16, 2009 1:26 pm

4linehaiku wrote:I'm certainly in agreement that funky is tangentally related to Dubstep at best, certainly not some sort of progression, but it's undeniable that it's a sound of obvious interest to a sizable slice of Dubstep fans. Would it not maybe be a good idea to have a sticky in this subforum explaining what the hell this funky thing is all about, why dubsteppers should care and maybe some example mixes / producer myspaces whatever?
I know these topics have all occured multiple times around the forum, and even in the threads that have been moved here, but I still reckon a single stickied primer would do alot for anyone who sees the subforum and goes "Funky??".

I could probably bash something out if anyone reckons it's a decent idea. I'm thinking links to the Blackdown article where he chats with Geeneus, the funky primer by that Tim F fellow off ilx, the seminal Marcus Nasty v Mac 10 mix from September, the recent HHB v Dubplate Wonder mix with the tracklist by David M and maybe some other bits and pieces linked with my best stab at amateur music journalism.

Any thoughts on the matter?

Good idea. Nice little intro.

4linehaiku · Post by **4linehaiku** » Fri Jan 16, 2009 1:57 pm

Alright I'll get on it.
Any other suggestions for vital stuff to include?

daggus · Post by **daggus** » Fri Jan 16, 2009 2:19 pm

4linehaiku wrote: Any other suggestions for vital stuff to include?

Clubs, best places to actually hear funky live etc, Dance moves, pasty of the month etc

elgato · Post by **elgato** » Fri Jan 16, 2009 2:33 pm

i think its a good idea to some extent, although my preference would be to try not to canonise it too much - to make it clear that these are useful starting points for ppl to explore something new, but by no means 'what funky is' if you see what i mean

but that is a personal view, people may not share it

4linehaiku · Post by **4linehaiku** » Fri Jan 16, 2009 3:10 pm

Oh yeah for sure, I just meant as a jumping off point. From the perspective of someone who listens to Dubstep but isn't knee deep in 'nuum theory or whatever, I'd imagine you'd see this subforum and go "what?".
So this would say, hey, this is why I (and other people) are interested, give these mixes a shot, see what you reckon. If you like it, well check out all the other threads. I think that would be suitable unperscriptive, no?

elgato · Post by **elgato** » Fri Jan 16, 2009 3:25 pm

i don't really know man, im sure it will be fine either way though

boomnoise · Post by **boomnoise** » Fri Jan 16, 2009 5:00 pm

4linehaiku wrote:Oh yeah for sure, I just meant as a jumping off point. From the perspective of someone who listens to Dubstep but isn't knee deep in 'nuum theory or whatever, I'd imagine you'd see this subforum and go "what?".
So this would say, hey, this is why I (and other people) are interested, give these mixes a shot, see what you reckon. If you like it, well check out all the other threads. I think that would be suitable unperscriptive, no?

Yes mate. tbh if you want to knock up a mini primer and send it over we probably sticky it here and update it regularly.

But i agree with El - try not to make it too much of a sunday dinner thing.

elgato · Post by **elgato** » Fri Jan 16, 2009 5:48 pm

i've just realised that i used the word canonise slightly incorrectly... i meant to canonise the ruffer elements of the scene that dubstep heads might be more interested in

i guess what i'm trying to say is (for example) i would be unsure about seeing Marcus Nasty b2b Mak 10, or Apple's or Roska's tunes, presented as being necessarily the kind of moments of fruition for funky (just cos i've seen them presented as such elsewhere)... rather points at which a certain sound emerged. i am just concerned about people's understanding of the music being overly influenced, and an assumption lying at the heart of it that the stuff before that, or the stuff on a different vibe to that, were not as valuable. they're less likely to be of interest to dubstep heads, but thats different

does that make sense? its by no means anything to do with what i think you would write 4line, far from it, its just what sprung to mind as a slight concern

and now im playing the hypocrite lol

losing perspective

4linehaiku · Post by **4linehaiku** » Fri Jan 16, 2009 8:24 pm

Well that's actually a good point, which does apply to what I was thinking. I'm not sure if it something that can (or maybe should) really be dealt with. How can you possibly define a set of tunes as more 'valuable' than others in a purely objective sense? The closest I would think you can come to 'value' is how much you personally value it as a listener. In attempting to communicate with a general forum audience, you have to make assumptions about what they will value, and surely on Dubstep Forum the obvious link is the rougher bass heavy syncopated kind of stuff? I think (maybe incorrectly) that for the majority of people coming into Funky through Dubstep, the Marcus Nasty / Roska / whatever tunes DO present the "moments of fruition".

I just think if you're trying to introduce a bunch of people to something totally new then going "Hey guys, you know what, House has actually been sick for over 20 years, check it out" is an incredible unhelpful thing to say. You show them stuff you think they'll like, and hope they'll work backwards to other stuff.

I'm also not convinced that really liking Apple tunes but dismissing Tell Me or something as "cheesy shit house" (as I have seen a number of variations on around various threads) is in fact an inferior mindset that must be guarded against. That these people are listening to Funky "wrong" etc, that they don't "get it".

I am now on a mad ramble (seem to have accidentally gone in to Dissensus mode...). I suppose my point is that I do get what you're saying, but in this particular specific context I'm not sure it's really relevant. If you were writing a Funky primer for The Guardian / or even Fact etc then this would be more of a problem (one that, as you say, can already be observed).

Feel free to eloquently disagree, though if you stray too far into critical theory I'll just give up

4linehaiku · Post by **4linehaiku** » Fri Jan 16, 2009 8:29 pm

Oh and PS was the Footloose end of year show upped anywhere in the end?
If so, was it an excellent round up of the years developments and essential listening to the uninitiated, or uh, not?

Post by **dubway** » Fri Jan 16, 2009 10:10 pm

boomnoise wrote:
4linehaiku wrote:Oh yeah for sure, I just meant as a jumping off point. From the perspective of someone who listens to Dubstep but isn't knee deep in 'nuum theory or whatever, I'd imagine you'd see this subforum and go "what?".
So this would say, hey, this is why I (and other people) are interested, give these mixes a shot, see what you reckon. If you like it, well check out all the other threads. I think that would be suitable unperscriptive, no?
Yes mate. tbh if you want to knock up a mini primer and send it over we probably sticky it here and update it regularly.

But i agree with El - try not to make it too much of a sunday dinner thing.

co-sign

elgato · Post by **elgato** » Fri Jan 16, 2009 11:02 pm

4linehaiku wrote:Well that's actually a good point, which does apply to what I was thinking. I'm not sure if it something that can (or maybe should) really be dealt with. How can you possibly define a set of tunes as more 'valuable' than others in a purely objective sense? The closest I would think you can come to 'value' is how much you personally value it as a listener. In attempting to communicate with a general forum audience, you have to make assumptions about what they will value, and surely on Dubstep Forum the obvious link is the rougher bass heavy syncopated kind of stuff? I think (maybe incorrectly) that for the majority of people coming into Funky through Dubstep, the Marcus Nasty / Roska / whatever tunes DO present the "moments of fruition".

I just think if you're trying to introduce a bunch of people to something totally new then going "Hey guys, you know what, House has actually been sick for over 20 years, check it out" is an incredible unhelpful thing to say. You show them stuff you think they'll like, and hope they'll work backwards to other stuff.

I'm also not convinced that really liking Apple tunes but dismissing Tell Me or something as "cheesy shit house" (as I have seen a number of variations on around various threads) is in fact an inferior mindset that must be guarded against. That these people are listening to Funky "wrong" etc, that they don't "get it".

I am now on a mad ramble (seem to have accidentally gone in to Dissensus mode...). I suppose my point is that I do get what you're saying, but in this particular specific context I'm not sure it's really relevant. If you were writing a Funky primer for The Guardian / or even Fact etc then this would be more of a problem (one that, as you say, can already be observed).

Feel free to eloquently disagree, though if you stray too far into critical theory I'll just give up

i wouldn't say by any means that its an inferior mindset, or that it must be guarded against... i guess its that i wouldn't enjoy seeing it put too narrowly, or with too much of a tone that 'this is the story of funky, and it went like this...' if you know what i mean. its not that big a deal though, there's nothing really so wrong with passion or partiality and such in writing about music. sorry, i don't think it was really worth me going on like that

no danger of critical theory lol

datura · Post by **datura** » Fri Jan 16, 2009 11:15 pm

elgato wrote:and now im playing the hypocrite lol

losing perspective

Is that Ben UFO?

4linehaiku · Post by **4linehaiku** » Fri Jan 16, 2009 11:31 pm

elgato wrote:sorry, i don't think it was really worth me going on like that no danger of critical theory lol

Ha no worries there, it feeds nicely into my personal 'More serious discussion on DSF' plan.

I should probably stop posting said nonsense and write the thing, but it's Friday night, and I'm drunk, and posting rambling threads seems like a much better idea. I'll basj something out tomorrow, I swear it's gonna be such a let down compared to the chat I seem to have generated. 4 paragraphs tops for real.

Yeah that's Ben UFO consulting the dictionary definition of 'Funky'. What did you search for to get that? Or is it just your default clip art for all forum over analysis?

daggus · Post by **daggus** » Sat Jan 17, 2009 12:25 am

4linehaiku wrote: but dismissing Tell Me or something as "cheesy shit house" (as I have seen a number of variations on around various threads) is in fact an inferior mindset that must be guarded against.

haha couldnt agree more

Vice T · Post by **Vice T** » Sat Jan 17, 2009 7:17 am

I like Funky and, the people that I play it to like it also. Same goes for Dubstep and the Newer Hip Hop I play. It's all good and all different. I could not listen to the same type of music day in and day out. I really feel bad for those Dubsteppers out there that are sticking their heads in the sand. There is so much great music coming out why not have an open mind and find a tune in any genre that gets you off. I really think it all about the vibes, not the BPMS. I like Funky because it reminds me of what I liked about Dubstep a few years ago. That's it.

elgato · Post by **elgato** » Sun Jan 18, 2009 2:40 pm

4linehaiku wrote:What did you search for to get that? Or is it just your default clip art for all forum over analysis?

lol i can't even remember what i searched for, was a wonderful discovery though, so perfect

doomstep · Post by **doomstep** » Mon Jan 19, 2009 4:06 am

boomnoise wrote:sunday dinner thing.

I don't think you need to be writing about it. Just talk about tunes / post mixes etc. You can lead a horse to water n all that.

Maybe a rolling thread for links to interesting bits on blogs / online media, interviews etc.

I'm a big fan of not dumbing things down.

nousd · Post by **nousd** » Mon Jan 19, 2009 4:09 am

SysEx wrote: I like Funky because it reminds me of what I liked about Dubstep a few years ago.

Yeah, like fun and no dogma.
As u say it's just something else...another flava: cheesy salsa at one end and meaty dancehall at the other. Better to throw a bit into the mix (ladies seem to like it) than having an incessant grimey barrage.
Having said that tho, there is some shit referred to as funky that sounds like commercial r&b to me...retain the sub-bass say I.

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