I put it to you that Muslimgauze invented Dubstep in 1995

municiple · Post by **municiple** » Sat Sep 30, 2006 9:13 pm

Check out the album "Delay" by Dub Tractor (his other albums are very different than this one).

http://www.discogs.com/release/140946

serious dubstep vibes, fo sho.

rekall · Post by **rekall** » Tue Oct 03, 2006 12:14 am

yeah yeah and rag and bone owes everything to Si Begg's influence under his buckfunk 3000 monicker.

can we get on with it?

oukiess · Post by **oukiess** » Tue Oct 03, 2006 1:03 pm

So agree with dat, Muzlimgauze, have done thingz like afx and other dubstep producer a long time ago and before 95 !!! He have produced over 100 lp !!! So check the reprint and catch what u can of this avant garde folk dupsteper !!! 3 lp u can easily buy : "Alms for Iraq" (1995) , "Observe with Sadiq Bey" (1998) and "Lo-fi India abuse" (1999).
http://pretentious.net/Muslimgauze/

oukiess · Post by **oukiess** » Tue Oct 03, 2006 2:50 pm

I just showing love to all dubstepers and didn't remade the history !!!
Muslimgauze as many others influence the whole music planet and, as a philosophe say nothing been created all is transforming

In french "rien ne se creer tout se transforme"

rekall · Post by **rekall** » Tue Oct 03, 2006 11:53 pm

Mr Hyde wrote:
rekall wrote:yeah yeah and rag and bone owes everything to Si Begg's influence under his buckfunk 3000 monicker.

can we get on with it?
serious? (sorry if your not but cant tell from text) there is some similarity there but warlock's been releasing stuff on labels like unearthly for ages, rag and bone's got influences from all over the place- breaks/dnb/techno/grime/dubstep... which i guess might be your point- music evolves and dubstep is from all over the place, its not like someone just invented it then everyone copied that one record

entirely my point. just playing devil's advocate

discussions like these are like talking about who really invented london hardcore / uk breaks.
you could stick you neck out and say 'rob playford?' and everyone would hop on board saying no, no it was this gal this guy way-back-then. and it never stops.

another 'fun' one is "who first played drum n' bass in the states?"

even smaller genres experience this phenomenon. tell me, what was the first really abrasive, true 'breakcore' tune? personally i'd start with the 2nd gen single 'and / or', sum tings dun by Edgey, and work backwards from there.
others would begin entirely elsewhere.

RubiconMan · Post by **RubiconMan** » Sat Jan 17, 2009 1:33 am

AntiLynd wrote:
nailik wrote:My first listens to dubstep really reminded me of the feel of a lot of tracks on a Virgin comp out in the mid 90s called Macro Dub Infection.

http://www.discogs.com/release/115747

It's got Scorn, Muslimgauze, Iration Steppers, Tricky, 4 Hero, Coil, The Rootsman etc on it.

yea, I still got that one on tape... Alec Empire, Wagon Christ, Tortoise (!), Spring Heel Jack, Maurizio, HiM (not HIM), Bill Laswell... good times. Wasnt it compiled by The Bug btw?

yeah it was
http://www.discogs.com/artist/Kevin+Martin?anv=K+Martin

rekall · Post by **rekall** » Sat Jan 17, 2009 2:05 am

damn, dude's got more aliases than luke slater!

the solar constant · Post by **the solar constant** » Sat Jan 17, 2009 8:10 am

Bryn Jones was a genius... thrilled to even see him mentioned in this forum.
As far as the dubstep connection goes, i can hear it in the tunes that shackleton makes & that's about it. I only wish muslimgauze albums were easier to find.

cixxxj · Post by **cixxxj** » Sat Jan 17, 2009 10:44 am

Every vinyl based set I can do, I drop this!!

http://www.discogs.com/Rootsman-Natural ... ase/205679

TOO MUCH!

alex deadman · Post by **alex deadman** » Sat Jan 17, 2009 2:34 pm

Not sure Rootsman invented dubstep but he certainly is a legend.

seen · Post by **seen** » Sat Jan 17, 2009 7:20 pm

for all fans of the mighty millitant muslimgauze, make sure you keep the 22nd of may free
planned tribute night for muslimgauze (in leeds)
artists not confirmed but trust me from what ive been told it sounds amazing.
showcasing lost dat tapes and reworks.

-best album by bryn for me has to be narcotic or the one with rootsman.

also on the macro dub album it features a track from a group which included the guy who now runs deadly dragon record store!

Tombones · Post by **Tombones** » Sat Jan 17, 2009 8:55 pm

seen wrote:for all fans of the mighty millitant muslimgauze, make sure you keep the 22nd of may free
planned tribute night for muslimgauze (in leeds)
artists not confirmed but trust me from what ive been told it sounds amazing.
showcasing lost dat tapes and reworks.

-best album by bryn for me has to be narcotic or the one with rootsman.

also on the macro dub album it features a track from a group which included the guy who now runs deadly dragon record store!

Will not be missing this!

Been listening a lot to Ayatollah Dollar recently - one of his more heavily dub-influenced albums. There's a couple more unreleased bits due out on Staalplaat in the next month. Can't wait to see the line up.

rekall · Post by **rekall** » Sat Jan 17, 2009 10:03 pm

seen wrote:also on the macro dub album

http://www.discogs.com/release/752158

pdomino · Post by **pdomino** » Sun Jan 18, 2009 12:53 am

I like alot of the music ive just found, and agree with the style of music but wasnt recognised as part of the mould if that makes sense.

seen · Post by **seen** » Sun Jan 18, 2009 11:21 am

rekall wrote:
seen wrote:also on the macro dub album
http://www.discogs.com/release/752158

volume 2 - should have said

tacospheros · Post by **tacospheros** » Mon Jan 19, 2009 8:54 am

there's just so much stuff in this thread to research, fuk

bassbeyondreason · Post by **bassbeyondreason** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 1:45 am

http://bottomofthemap.blogspot.com/2008 ... -1996.html

I put it to you that Track 4 of this CD (from 96) is actually pure dubstep/grime. Sounds like Macabre Unit.

OoGuN · Post by **OoGuN** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 3:06 am

nailik wrote:My first listens to dubstep really reminded me of the feel of a lot of tracks on a Virgin comp out in the mid 90s called Macro Dub Infection.

http://www.discogs.com/release/115747

It's got Scorn, Muslimgauze, Iration Steppers, Tricky, 4 Hero, Coil, The Rootsman etc on it.

A lot of it is intensely dark, dubby, heavy and atmospheric. Sound familiar?

Yes mate, i've still got the vinyl..true word, i'll dig that out and listen to it again as I'm moving house, cheers for reminding me.

Also, RSD is Rob Smith who was Smith in Smith and Mighty and he makes wicked dubstep.. (was still reading thru the thread when I replied so I'm sure someone else has mentioned this)... about the Rootsman, there was that 12" on a label that someone on here has as their avatar...

onelouder · Post by **onelouder** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 9:41 am

Macro dub comps and the compilations that Bill Laswell put together for his subharmonic label(????) pretty much defined the mid/late 90s for me.
Same goes for the On U work from the 80s, which I started to listen to a lot of around this point in time and Mark Stewarts stuff w/ tackhead (Veneer of Democracy et. al.).
Bryn Jones is pretty much in a league of his own IMHO, Infidel/Uzi Mahmood/Uzbekistani Bazaar... Intensely prolific and incredible.
Nice to see him get props here.

I put it to you that Muslimgauze invented Dubstep in 1995

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