Obama closes Gitmo??

[surface_tension]

He ordered the closing of black sites, but not the Afghan and Iraqi prisons where we are holding "Enemy Combatants"

there is lots more work to do and he's left options other than the 19 legal interrogation techniques on the table. And 1 of the 19 isn't actually legal.

[ikarai]

yeah? and what have you done this week?

[surface_tension]

yeah? and what have you done this week?

I didn't use my first executive order as President to renew funding for forced abortions in Africa and China with taxpayer money. Unlike someone.

[ikarai]

forced abortions

source? as in, an objective one?

i suppose you object to this too.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2009/ ... l-go-ahead

[surface_tension]

Well when the funds are going to China and Africa, one can safely assume they are forced. There are several sources. Use the Google, I'm not trying to drum of an Abortion debate today.

A lot has been made of the ideals of Martin Luther King in light of the inauguration of the first black President. What would the legendary civil rights campaigner have thought of Obama’s action to ensure funding for the abortion of black babies? Here’s what his niece, Dr. Alveda King had to say about the matter at a conference last August.

“The great irony,” she said, “is that abortion has done what the Klan only dreamed of.”

King stated that the killing of a quarter of the black population of the US has not been from the lynch mobs of her childhood days, but from abortionists, “who plant their killing centers in minority neighborhoods and prey upon women who think they have no hope.”

And no, I'm not against stem cell research. Your assumption that my personal beliefs on Abortion for family planning, as opposed to therapeutic, life saving needs is a pretty broad leap to think I'd be against stem cell research. I do know that I heard my baby's beating heart at about 4 weeks gestation. That is 8 weeks before the 12 week "norm" for most clinics before you'd need some sort of medical reason.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olNeGEPW4PE This is an ultrasound of an 8 week old baby. Hear the heartbeat? That isn't the mother's heartbeat. That is a separate human, with separate DNA, with separate genetalia. 8 weeks.

8 weeks, 4 days in 3D:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbqFnT0BLX0

A scientific textbook called “Basics of Biology” gives five characteristics of living things; these five criteria are found in all modern elementary scientific textbooks:

1. Living things are highly organized.

2. All living things have an ability to acquire materials and energy.

3. All living things have an ability to respond to their environment.

4. All living things have an ability to reproduce.

5. All living things have an ability to adapt.

According to this elementary definition of life, life begins at fertilization, when a sperm unites with an oocyte. From this moment, the being is highly organized, has the ability to acquire materials and energy, has the ability to respond to his or her environment, has the ability to adapt, and has the ability to reproduce (the cells divide, then divide again, etc., and barring pathology and pending reproductive maturity has the potential to reproduce other members of the species). Non-living things do not do these things. Even before the mother is aware that she is pregnant, a distinct, unique life has begun his or her existence inside her.

Furthermore, that life is unquestionably human. A human being is a member of the species homo sapiens. Human beings are products of conception, which is when a human male sperm unites with a human female oocyte (egg). When humans procreate, they don’t make non-humans like slugs, monkeys, cactuses, bacteria, or any such thing. Emperically-verifiable proof is as close as your nearest abortion clinic: send a sample of an aborted fetus to a laboratory and have them test the DNA to see if its human or not. Genetically, a new human being comes into existence from the earliest moment of conception.

[pdomino]

forced abortions

source? as in, an objective one?

i suppose you object to this too.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2009/ ... l-go-ahead

He might be from Windiana but stop winding him up lol, the internetzz cant handle much more.

[.spec]

Presidential oath stuff

Keep fightin' that good Surface_Tension. Everyone up through the Supreme Court disagrees with you but don't let that keep your crazy theories of a President Pelosi from happening.

EDIT: oh boy I just saw your abortion post. I'm not touching that with a ten foot pole.

[jolly wailer]

wow wtf this got derailed.

[datura]

Dinner time at Surface Tension manor must be riveting.

"So darling, did you have a nice day?"

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"oh, good"

[whygohome10]

fuck this shit just got reaaaalllll heavy.

well i kinda like obama but i can also see why people dont

well people shouldnt be forced to have their babies on the other hand i can see why they should

gitmo was bad but it was also good

uummmm no one can get mad for me seing both sides right???