kidlogic wrote:
(This is a great discussion, Im enjoying it
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Me too
kidlogic wrote:
By your logic, if I wanted to learn an instrument, I should record every note from the very first I play and release it?
I should record every set I spin as a DJ and post it online, including the practice sessions where Im trying mixes and figuring things out?
Ok, you've made a very valid point there. Theoretically, you need to have a conscious awareness of how good you are as an artist before
investing into yourself a a business. But that's not to say that there's rules to stop you release that first stuff you ever made, with the internet and the ability to self release your material in a number of ways for free there is no longer a barrier (aka major label) to filter out the shit from the good, so you could release but that's not to say that it would sell lol.
But that's a strange (but possible) way of getting feedback for yourself. A more accepted way of doing the same thing is joining a community (such as DSF) where people into music similar to yours can give you critical, constructive advice and feedback!
kidlogic wrote:I doubt every painter who picks up a brush wants to be the next Piccaso... some just want to work through some feelings and create, regardless if another human ever lays eyes on it - some would be horrified if anyone ever did, for various reasons. There is nothing wrong with that to me, they are still creating and still expressing themselves and that is always a good thing.
Oh of course, very true! But at the same time there's artists who flick paint off a brush onto a canvas and become rich and famous from it, possibly doing it without intention of it becoming noticed by anybody. My point is that people did notice it and the owner of the painting became very successful!
kidlogic wrote:what is up to your personal standards
I suppose this is what matters really! I mean, the reason I struggle to agree completely with some of your points is because things I'm not generally satisfied with don't get finished and are scrapped or get completely obliterated and reformed to create something I prefer, therefore meaning that only tracks I like will be completed... And if I'm only completing tracks I'm satisfied with, I can feel more confident in releasing all of my finished works.
kidlogic wrote:The three hour thing is an excersise, that I was suggesting as a way for Echoi and others who have a problem finishing tunes as a way to help them in the way it helped me, not as something to do with all of your tunes or even a large portion of them. But if you're not finishing them anyway, how are they ever going to be released?
Yeh man, this makes sense. But personally I'd rather make a mixtape or something with the exercises than scrap them and not let anybody hear them. The way I see it, if it was hard to finish the track it's probably because the content was either to a bad standard or because you started the track as an experiment to educate yourself. <-- I suppose the latter is where your points really come into play. But rather than attempt to finish the track I would usually scrap it myself (if it was a complete fail as complete experiment/education tracks usually are) and remember the skills I'd learnt from that and apply them to a track where those new techniques would work...
kidlogic wrote:
Who said that a tune has to be released to be shared? Thats a very important distinction. Ill gladly share a tune I may not feel is up to release standards.
I think certain points of our discussion were blurred because the distinction was forgotten. To repeat upon what I said earlier, it's so easy to release tracks these days (digitally) that there really is little different between digital release and just sharing a track, other than people paying for it. But the payment point can also be used as feedback for the track. 'Were people willing to pay for the track?' Could be another question for the list: 'What was good and bad about that track and what have I learnt to take with me to the next one?'.
kidlogic wrote: it would be just as fulfilling, albeit in a different way, if no one else ever heard it.
I do feel this man, sometimes coming home from a drunk night out I just love sticking some of my tracks on reasonably loud and just zoning to them, but I still see it as an experience I'd like other people to enjoy the same way. I'm passionate about this topic because the buzz of other people enjoying my music is a strong driving force of mine, unfortunately it's one that spurs the depression and writers block too, so maybe I should sometimes just focus on making music for me!
