Why cant wobble and Dub heads just get along?

[nicenice]

Yeah, nah its the style thats the problem

[dubloke]

I remeber when the first few screechy wobblers came out and they were done well, it was an intresting new sound, but one that should have been experimented with and then left. ity seems now anyone can come up with a metalic sound, stick it ontop of a halfstep drum beat that a deaf monkey could have made and then whack some shite cliche sample at the drop and release it under some weak digital only record label. This sound has become stagnant, please move along

[kion]

This sound has become stagnant

If you go through sites such as digital-tunes.net and listen to a lot of these releases, you'll be subjected to a a glut of clonestep which is increasingly becoming a chore to sift through for the good stuff (but the good stuff is still there!)

[press]

i can't help but think how fucking boring and stagnant and non-"forward thinking" this genre would be if it were still only sounding like it did in 03-05. People still make that stuff and people make jumpup stuff. Whats great about dubstep is that its dubby its midrangy its deep its in your face its heady its a little of everything. I got into dubstep not nessecarily because i liked everything that was coming out at the time but because i knew it could be so much more it had room to encompass just about everyones favorite style. No one sound deserves to be here more than another. I dont really like jump-up and i dont really like super deep stuff, i want more in the middle where does that fit in all this? dubstep should be less this vs that and more this with a little that. i dunno i still love it and i still love dnb to so go figure.

[Dark Reign]

I like Both

I just bought Breakage - Foundation album today and Liquid Stranger - The Private Riot. Some deep dubby stuff and some pure filth. Both albums are top notch. And when Starkeys New album drops Ill have some grimey wonk shit too, so many good albums out this year so far.

[Pistonsbeneath]

i can't help but think how fucking boring and stagnant and non-"forward thinking" this genre would be if it were still only sounding like it did in 03-05. People still make that stuff and people make jumpup stuff. Whats great about dubstep is that its dubby its midrangy its deep its in your face its heady its a little of everything. I got into dubstep not nessecarily because i liked everything that was coming out at the time but because i knew it could be so much more it had room to encompass just about everyones favorite style. No one sound deserves to be here more than another. I dont really like jump-up and i dont really like super deep stuff, i want more in the middle where does that fit in all this? dubstep should be less this vs that and more this with a little that. i dunno i still love it and i still love dnb to so go figure.

i couldnt disagree more

[fractal]

im liking 2010 myself... 03-05 was pretty awesome tho


it's whatev's...

[Pistonsbeneath]

well apparently people are still making dubstep that sounds like it was made between 03-05!

they really aren't....if somebody thinks that maybe they don't hear the music

[fractal]

i think press is talking about how much the sound varied before 06,,, not the actual sound itself. pre 06 dubstep could be anything, it kinda stagnated 06-08 (with a few golden exemptions)
now, it seems like the sound is varied again, so of course there will be different camps who prefer one sound to another... the only difference with todays dubstep is that if it leaves the 06-08 formula (halftime, big drop, cheesy hardness,etc) then the a fair portion of the kids who got into the sound 06 or after are quick to say, "that's not really dubstep" it's hillarious!

[press]

i was speaking stylistikly (sp?lol). I think alot of peeps still make similar styles to what was prominant in that "era" but now its in amongst a ton of other influences and styles. wich is great and a sign of a good genre imo.

[Tragic_Gash]

This sound has become stagnant

[Tragic_Gash]

EDIT: SRY DOUBLE POST

ahem

i'll get my coat...

[spire]

Either they were shown Dubstep by a mate but it was a DMZ style track or something like it on that end of the spectrum (Toasty "The Knowledge" for me) OR they heard a certain CD that Fabric released a while back. Already you had a picture painted in your head of what Dubstep was. Like, when you first found that track that made you brain go "whatthefuckisthis", I think that tie yourself to that sound in some way.

well thats definitely a big part. i dont remember what the first couple dubstep tracks i heard were, but my first two records i bought were




and i absolutely still look for those style of tunes. i also kick myself for never buying any DMZ releases all the way back to Officer/Mood Dub, i remember seeing them online but passing em up cause i dudnt really like it at the time. now i love em but cant get my hands on em.

[crunkedxup]

...it's usually that the wobble is underpinned by uninspired drums.

this x 1000000

that stupid Meow Meow song by High Rankin bein a prime example.

a lot of the newest "filth" just sounds like its made by someone who got into dubstep two weeks before their first production and spent their life listening to a lot of bad metal. i dont see it as a problem though, as a lot of good stuff is still being made in all aspects of the genre.

[mocsun23]

why is it always people who just registered to this forum within the last couple years asking these retarded questions?

LMAO!!!

[misterkev2000]

......because wobble is SHIT !

[benw]

Lets put it this way - I no longer bother to tell people that i listen to/play dubstep because i know that what theyre thinking of when they hear that word is so different to what i mean.

[finkthast]

Lets put it this way - I no longer bother to tell people that i listen to/play dubstep because i know that what theyre thinking of when they hear that word is so different to what i mean.

yea that certainly feels the case 99% of the time.......if a style reaches a certain level of exposure but the rest remains well beneath the surface then the prominent style will be most likely to be what people are (first) exposed to on the radio, tv, in clubs, in mass marketed magazines and at festivals. Obviously in the case of dubstep that prominent style is now ever predictable, loud, aggressive and cheesy and therefore is not going to appeal to anyone unless they are 16-23 yrs old, male and used to like Blink182 or think that danny byrd is a great dnb producer.

i think that wob wob heads need to understand that the music that borgore, funtcase, flux pavillion, trolley snatcha etc make is essentially as easy to disect and describe as WOB WOB WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEeeeeeeeee.
99% OF THE GODAMMM TUNES JUST GO WOBBWOBBWOBWOB for a while and then quickly break down before quickly swooshing up to a even louder drop with some quirky sample or soundeffect just b4 or on the drop. It's music by numbers.

The (MASSIVE!) difference between this and the music that people like say mala, martyn, skream, joy orb, leofah, pinch, silkie, joker, breakage, kromestar, 2562, trg, etc make is use of actual key features of music.

An intersting and original composition needs to have a skillfull balance of the key musical conventions that are combined to make that music.

These are some of the most common; use of chords, variation in structure, unusual or complimentary timbres, syncopation, key changes, groove/funk/soul/depth, unique sound effects, well timed use of space/silence, dissonance, melody, dynamics, tension and release and maybe even interesting vocals.

pLs if u think i'm trying to act clever by using big words, stop being dumb and look them up

When a producer uses a combination of these elements accompanied by their passion/ability/equipment/influence/headspace/influences, then it will normally make for music that has some sense of suprise, originality and emotion. This will then at the very least make it harder to dissect and describe.

unfortunatley wob wob step usually fails to contain any of these key musical features because there are two others. The WOB and the DROP are in constant battle to see who's the hardest and loudest.

The wobble shit only takes influence from itself, the latest plug-in, the quick buck and the highNRG sweaty dancefloor it likes to keep in the palm of its hand.

There's a world of discovery out there but alot of these kids are so high on wobbing that all they got is sweaty blinkers and crusty noses.