Slowing down forum trolls and cowards

[seckle]

Just ignore trolls.

Easier said than done by most on this forum it seems... in fact, on the internet in general lol.

If you're a well known dj or producer, having 10 threads saying that your gig's were "shit" floating around on this forum (regardless of whether they were shit or not), means that this site in effect "publishes" this sort of soap opera business. to the public that don't use forums or understand them; they can be taken out of context. especially when these sort of threads can be found via google search.

do trolls really matter to the big name DJ or producer?
on the outset no, but google and net searching is getting more powerful, more precise and more relevant every week. with the permanence of the net combined with real time trending, you can imagine quite easily that in the future, the next evolutions of google will get more sophisticated, and these sort of stupid trolling threads will become a bigger problem. a devil's advocate could argue that controversy and fame go hand in hand, but consider the fact that people devote years of work to one creative goal...they make that goal a reality through perseverance and work...and then someone thats 17yrs old, has no personal investment, and feels that he's the badman on the internet that day, can try and put holes in all that. all in the space of 5mins in front of a computer.

this place isn't here to give pricks free reign. forums do give a platform for trolling, but that doesn't mean that forums can't make it more difficult with a bit of a sting. this site was built on trying to support and connect people, not giving a voice to self-important pricks, that have nothing to risk.

[pompende]

out to everyone that thinks having your ip address available is a serious threat...really tempted to post mine when i get home...

[deadly_habit]

Just ignore trolls.

Easier said than done by most on this forum it seems... in fact, on the internet in general lol.

If you're a well known dj or producer, having 10 threads saying that your gig's were "shit" floating around on this forum (regardless of whether they were shit or not), means that this site in effect "publishes" this sort of soap opera business. to the public that don't use forums or understand them; they can be taken out of context. especially when these sort of threads can be found via google search.

do trolls really matter to the big name DJ or producer?
on the outset no, but google and net searching is getting more powerful, more precise and more relevant every week. with the permanence of the net combined with real time trending, you can imagine quite easily that in the future, the next evolutions of google will get more sophisticated, and these sort of stupid trolling threads will become a bigger problem. a devil's advocate could argue that controversy and fame go hand in hand, but consider the fact that people devote years of work to one creative goal...they make that goal a reality through perseverance and work...and then someone thats 17yrs old, has no personal investment, and feels that he's the badman on the internet that day, can try and put holes in all that. all in the space of 5mins in front of a computer.

this place isn't here to give pricks free reign. forums do give a platform for trolling, but that doesn't mean that forums can't make it more difficult with a bit of a sting. this site was built on trying to support and connect people, not giving a voice to self-important pricks, that have nothing to risk.

o_O
so voice your opinion only if it's positive, otherwise be moderated? and someone who has releases/produces/djs opinion matters more than the average punter and listener...

there's a clear line between trolling and having opinions and i think you've blurred it

[symmetricalsounds]

Just ignore trolls.

Easier said than done by most on this forum it seems... in fact, on the internet in general lol.

If you're a well known dj or producer, having 10 threads saying that your gig's were "shit" floating around on this forum (regardless of whether they were shit or not), means that this site in effect "publishes" this sort of soap opera business. to the public that don't use forums or understand them; they can be taken out of context. especially when these sort of threads can be found via google search.

do trolls really matter to the big name DJ or producer?
on the outset no, but google and net searching is getting more powerful, more precise and more relevant every week. with the permanence of the net combined with real time trending, you can imagine quite easily that in the future, the next evolutions of google will get more sophisticated, and these sort of stupid trolling threads will become a bigger problem. a devil's advocate could argue that controversy and fame go hand in hand, but consider the fact that people devote years of work to one creative goal...they make that goal a reality through perseverance and work...and then someone thats 17yrs old, has no personal investment, and feels that he's the badman on the internet that day, can try and put holes in all that. all in the space of 5mins in front of a computer.

this place isn't here to give pricks free reign. forums do give a platform for trolling, but that doesn't mean that forums can't make it more difficult with a bit of a sting. this site was built on trying to support and connect people, not giving a voice to self-important pricks, that have nothing to risk.

not sure what you're saying here, it would be ok if there was only 1 thread saying said artists gig was shit and it really was shit?

the recent starkey thread i stated i really didn't like that particular tune of his, towards the end of the thread he came on and said cheers to all the people who stated they were feeling the tune. he obviously is big enough to realise that not everyone is going to like everything he does so he ignores the negative and thanks the positives.

[seckle]

Just ignore trolls.

Easier said than done by most on this forum it seems... in fact, on the internet in general lol.

If you're a well known dj or producer, having 10 threads saying that your gig's were "shit" floating around on this forum (regardless of whether they were shit or not), means that this site in effect "publishes" this sort of soap opera business. to the public that don't use forums or understand them; they can be taken out of context. especially when these sort of threads can be found via google search.

do trolls really matter to the big name DJ or producer?
on the outset no, but google and net searching is getting more powerful, more precise and more relevant every week. with the permanence of the net combined with real time trending, you can imagine quite easily that in the future, the next evolutions of google will get more sophisticated, and these sort of stupid trolling threads will become a bigger problem. a devil's advocate could argue that controversy and fame go hand in hand, but consider the fact that people devote years of work to one creative goal...they make that goal a reality through perseverance and work...and then someone thats 17yrs old, has no personal investment, and feels that he's the badman on the internet that day, can try and put holes in all that. all in the space of 5mins in front of a computer.

this place isn't here to give pricks free reign. forums do give a platform for trolling, but that doesn't mean that forums can't make it more difficult with a bit of a sting. this site was built on trying to support and connect people, not giving a voice to self-important pricks, that have nothing to risk.

o_O
so voice your opinion only if it's positive, otherwise be moderated? and someone who has releases/produces/djs opinion matters more than the average punter and listener...

there's a clear line between trolling and having opinions and i think you've blurred it

don't try and spin this into some sort of elitist angst crap. you know quite well what threads i'm talking about. they've been bumping around this main forum for weeks now. a big name globally travelling producer or DJ does have more to risk, than a local DJ would by getting trolled, by sheer virtue of business success. there's agents, publicists, record labels, bookers, promoters and loads of other people involved behind a globally known name. does that mean that a local DJ getting trolled is less important....of course not. everyone's important, but some people have a lot more at risk than others.

[pompende]

there's a clear line between trolling and having opinions and i think you've blurred it

surely coming on here and posing as an artist is a bit much tho? and could actually be pretty confusing if you don't read forums?

[deadly_habit]

Just ignore trolls.

Easier said than done by most on this forum it seems... in fact, on the internet in general lol.

If you're a well known dj or producer, having 10 threads saying that your gig's were "shit" floating around on this forum (regardless of whether they were shit or not), means that this site in effect "publishes" this sort of soap opera business. to the public that don't use forums or understand them; they can be taken out of context. especially when these sort of threads can be found via google search.

do trolls really matter to the big name DJ or producer?
on the outset no, but google and net searching is getting more powerful, more precise and more relevant every week. with the permanence of the net combined with real time trending, you can imagine quite easily that in the future, the next evolutions of google will get more sophisticated, and these sort of stupid trolling threads will become a bigger problem. a devil's advocate could argue that controversy and fame go hand in hand, but consider the fact that people devote years of work to one creative goal...they make that goal a reality through perseverance and work...and then someone thats 17yrs old, has no personal investment, and feels that he's the badman on the internet that day, can try and put holes in all that. all in the space of 5mins in front of a computer.

this place isn't here to give pricks free reign. forums do give a platform for trolling, but that doesn't mean that forums can't make it more difficult with a bit of a sting. this site was built on trying to support and connect people, not giving a voice to self-important pricks, that have nothing to risk.

o_O
so voice your opinion only if it's positive, otherwise be moderated? and someone who has releases/produces/djs opinion matters more than the average punter and listener...

there's a clear line between trolling and having opinions and i think you've blurred it

don't try and spin this into some sort of elitist angst crap. you know quite well what threads i'm talking about. they've been bumping around this main forum for weeks now. a big name globally travelling producer or DJ does have more to risk, than a local DJ would by getting trolled, by sheer virtue of business success. there's agents, publicists, record labels, bookers, promoters and loads of other people involved behind a globally known name. does that mean that a local DJ getting trolled is less important....of course not. everyone's important, but some people have a lot more at risk than others.

actually i don't as i rarely pop over to this side of the forum, due to it being mainly just spam and the same old artists getting bigged up and same ones bashed. how do you plan on policing other avenues that get trended just as quickly such as twitter, facebook, blogs? a couple threads on this forum really shouldn't be that big of a deal. to play devil's advocate at the level you're talking about with that much of a team you'd figure their publicists would be on the case anyway. you just come off as hostile or irrational when trying to come up with a solution.
hell i think pretty much all preventative measures have been brainstormed in this thread and most of them would act as a deterrent for the non constructive negativity or at least weed the majority of it out and leave more thought out discussions and opinions.

[deadly_habit]

there's a clear line between trolling and having opinions and i think you've blurred it

surely coming on here and posing as an artist is a bit much tho? and could actually be pretty confusing if you don't read forums?

who did that?

[1017_duck]

there's a clear line between trolling and having opinions and i think you've blurred it

surely coming on here and posing as an artist is a bit much tho? and could actually be pretty confusing if you don't read forums?

who did that?

are fake remixes so much different?

[pompende]

there's a clear line between trolling and having opinions and i think you've blurred it

surely coming on here and posing as an artist is a bit much tho? and could actually be pretty confusing if you don't read forums?

who did that?

haha thats just the thing... I don't know.

its happened a few times. most recently: http://www.dubstepforum.com/mt-eden-dub ... %20dubstep

i'm not a fan of their music but this sort of thing is a bad look for everybody...

[deadly_habit]

yea i did a couple of those back when, but i had the decency to post em under my own youtube account and this username
funnily the thread that explained the reason why and mt eden apologizing disappeared into the void

[1017_duck]

yea i did a couple of those back when, but i had the decency to post em under my own youtube account and this username
funnily the thread that explained the reason why and mt eden apologizing disappeared into the void

i miss harley

[deadly_habit]

yea i did a couple of those back when, but i had the decency to post em under my own youtube account and this username
funnily the thread that explained the reason why and mt eden apologizing disappeared into the void

i miss harley

yea tbh he shouldn't exactly be their public face on here with some of the golden quotes that have come from him, but they should ban the blatant posing trolls

[FSTZ]

looks like I am a little late to the party...

but I believe we should do what is right for the forum and eliminate the endless trolling

the only people who would have an issue with this are the people who are doing the trolling

I saw the chatroom that I moderate go to shit the minute we allowed anonymous users to join

some of them are probably the same people who are posting waste in here

[AxeD]

Yea I think we shoud try this. I don't really mind my IP being visible.

-btw- amount/quality wise this is probably the best thread in quite some time

[fractal]

i think we've agreed that there are ways to do this without exposing IP addresses

[Sirius]

hahahaahah... was this thread made because of the skream shit dj thread (wateva its called)??

fuck showing my IP address... yall guna come fix my shit if some1 decides to exploit my machine?
if anything... there needs to be more permabans! I loved dubstep much more before i joined this forum.

the place is shit!
but I aint leaving!

!!chea

[seckle]

thanks to the 100 people that voted. poll ends tomorrow. thats a fair representation of how people feel about this. cheers

[little boh peep]

You need more moderators, that's all.
I don't know what goes on behind the scenes, but I never see Vaccine or Conspira post, so I'd guess they don't really visit or moderate the forum to any serious degree any more. Boomnoise and Bunzero have gone...you need more mods, it doesn't take a genius to work that out.
Thinking and Badger seem to be reliable for locking threads and general mod work, but the fact of the matter is that 6 mods is nowhere near enough!

I can't speak for Conspira, but I am on here literally every day deleting spam, banning bots, investigating reported threads, and/or looking after the event forums. I just don't have a lot to say anymore. You said it yourself - you don't know what goes on behind the scenes. It's not really fair to indict people for what you don't know.

There are indeed a lot of waste threads. There is also a lot of complaining when one of those waste threads goes into the trash. If you want a greater degree of moderation, either: 1) report a thread, and 2) PM a moderator. It's really that simple. With the volume of posts this forum, you can't expect moderators to trawl every thread looking for something suspicious - tell them where to look. Adding new moderators is also an option, but the question is who to trust with that.

I can see the pros and cons of IP visibility and quite honestly don't know where I stand on it, so I'll bow out here.

[bolsty]

well there's only so much people can do then i suppose eh? maybe it is time to get some more active moderators on board, as the size of the forum increases then so should the amount of moderators, perhaps allocating certain sections to certain moderators would be helpful, i've seen this work quite effectively elsewhere.

This IP idea just seems like a bit of a bandaid solution and will probably cause more friction then already exists, it may deter some people but it's not going to sort out the mess of threads.

Right now, we have 5 moderators and 1 admin.
In my opinion, that's not nearly enough moderation and/or admin to manage this forum....especially a forum of this size.

Your allocation idea -- there are certain sections for which that practice is being executed. It's working....

From what I have experienced, the main issue on the forum is the "dubstep" section. If that area was better administered (not necessarily moderated), a lot of the complaints and disputes in this thread (and others) would be drastically reduced.

In the past, I've suggested [with other mods and admin]:

1. Eliminating hype threads in the main forum.
2. Releases vs dubs.
3. Eliminating appreciation threads.
4. A twitter widget.
5. A dubstepforum.com IRC chatroom
6. eliminating the NSFW area entirely. (Sure, it's not the dubstep section, but we're discussing organization of the forum.)
7. Creation of a dubstep section (once reorganized) and a separate brostep/filth section.

Ultimately, reading FAQ's, using the "search" function and having a bit of sense would curb some issues also.

I agree with most accept for getting rid of the NSFW, people have to spam and troll somewhere, may as well have it all in one section.

I do think #7 is a good idea but it'd seem too hard to define what goes where, because everything is interpreted differently by different people. Maybe there could also be a separate section for radio shows/podcasts ? This would give people a good chance to promote there show as well as making it easier for people to find info on these types of things.

I also think 15 posts before you can start a thread is a good idea, works very well on all other forums.